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I wonder, with TUC occurring in the early 2290's, and the actress playing the daughter being 26 years, I figured the character would have been conceived in the mid-2260's. Of course the character and the actoress don't have to be the same age.Where did Kirk make any decisions as if a rookee? He was order to explore outside the edge of the galaxy, which he attempted to do.

The recorder marker contained no information as to what the cause of the problem aboard the previous ship was, nothing that would indicated that his (probably) more powerful engines and shields wouldn't be able to succeed where the earlier starship failed.

Consistent with his orders, what exactly would you have expected Kirk to do?
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For the purposes of a pilot, regardless of when it would turn out to be broadcast, it is difficult to make a categorical case that he should have done other than what he did. The show had to hit the ground running and any equivocation regarding his orders that would lead to a significant screen time commitment to wonky dialogue and a delay in action was not possible. However, given the information that Spock was able to supply, up to and including the Valiant's captain apparently ordering his ship's destruction, related to an impact that seemed clear to have occurred to a crewman because of exposure to the Barrier, a nod to at least to some kind of probity, examination, and thought by Kirk, rather than just ignoring such warnings, seems justified.

Such qualities could have been shown in short order, by his ordering of probe(s) that might have held the promise of returning varied types of telemetry of use in making what, instead of what turned out to be a heedless, reckless, and bullheaded decision, one instead that displayed a modicum of discretion. Would such probes have returned any information that would turn out to definitively rule out the attempt? No, of course not. But to have included such reasonable measures could have been executed using but, perhaps a couple of minutes of elapsed time on the broadcast. Would the concern that the Valiant was recorded to have desperately sought about espers, brought Kirk to an intuitive sense that such crew so superiorly endowed should be removed from the ship and stay outside the Barrier in a shuttlecraft say, while the Enterprise moved forward? No, lest there essentially be no story. However even a mention of concern about this issue could have at least passed from Kirk's lips.

Of course the ship was going to enter the Barrier. It would take incontrovertible evidence of potentially existential dangers to not execute his orders. But do you really think that Kirk's unquestioning, unthinking, and ramrod straight reflexive behavior in doing so, spoke very highly about certain executive thought processes that one would expect to be displayed by someone possessing this level of responsibility, especially since the loss of life had to be considered more than a dubious proposition? Interestingly, and perhaps significantly, do you really believe that Pike would followed this same template in making his decision? I most categorically think not.
 
The name "Intrepid" was on the decal sheet of my old AMT "USS Enterprise" kit back in the early 70's. Can't get more canon than that.
As for:
"Don't move. His eyesight is based on movement."
I just used that phrase this past weekend.
I was trying to approach a rabbit hanging out in our front yard. I had some food for him.

Weirdly this is likely the best confirmation that at a minimum, at the time TOS was made, USS Intrepid was held to be not simply a Starfleet vessel, but one of the Constitution class Starships. Those decal sheets weren't just made up. They were based on the series writers bible and similar production information. Rodenberry himself probably had to sign off on it. Heck, the decal sheet might even predate the episode? (Also remember there were some weird synergies going on between AMT and the Trek FX department. The model kit decal sheet had so many options in part because it made it easier for the FX people to use the kits in actual production shots, which in turn helped sell more models.)
 
Yeah, I'd agree with that. In 79 episodes we never got even a passing reference to there being another alien crew member on board. You'd think it would've come up sometime.
Well in Journey To Babel there is this:
MCCOY: Well, I'm glad somebody's asking me something around here. Well, the procedure they're discussing would require tremendous amounts of blood for the patient.
CHAPEL: Doctor?
MCCOY: Yes.
CHAPEL: I've checked the blood bank. There isn't enough Vulcan blood and plasma to even begin such an operation of this type.
KIRK: There are other Vulcans aboard.
Sarek's staff or Enterprise crew?
 
The model kit decal sheet had so many options in part because it made it easier for the FX people to use the kits in actual production shots, which in turn helped sell more models.

There are others who are much more knowledgeable in this area than I am... but aren't the only times they used an Enterprise model kit in the actual show in "The Doomsday Machine" for the wrecked Constellation, and "The Trouble with Tribbles" where it was representing the Enterprise anyway?

Sarek's staff or Enterprise crew?

I always assumed Sarek's entourage, but I guess really, who knows?
 
There are others who are much more knowledgeable in this area than I am... but aren't the only times they used an Enterprise model kit in the actual show in "The Doomsday Machine" for the wrecked Constellation, and "The Trouble with Tribbles" where it was representing the Enterprise anyway?



I always assumed Sarek's entourage, but I guess really, who knows?

I believe so about the Enterprise. There may have been one other time? Maybe The Ultimate Computer? But the AMT models did show up elsewhere. Most of the Klingon ships on screen, and the later "Romulans" in Klingon ships were AMT kits. I believe AMT also subsidized the creation of the Galileo 7 mock up in exchange for the license. There was some weird interplay back and forth between the two groups, AMT and the Trek FX shop. The safe assumption is those extra names and numbers on the Enterprise kits decal sheet were not made up by AMT. they were given info from the behind the scenes ship lists and writers guides. And the choices were likely registries that would be potentially useful for the FX team as well as the fans. (A trick that carried forward until the CGI era. It's amazing how many on screen ships use the same basic numbers in their registries as those offered as decals in the model kits, just cut up and rearranged.)

Whether or not it makes sense in terms of Spocks backstory or other future info, the name Intrepid was used for that story because it was already on the writers list of known Starships. They just plucked a random name from the list and did something awful to it. Think of that list as the ship version of Red Shirts.
 
It makes you wonder what was left of the Intrepid after the giant space amoeba was through digesting it.
Apparently the antimatter pods didn't rupture or there would have been one huge explosion. Bigger than Enterprise's antimatter probe.
The image of a giant starship shaped hunk of space poo comes to mind. I'd like to see someone CGI that.
 
One wonders... Unlike certain more destructive entities, the Amoeba just killed lifeforms, and we saw it achieve that with its mere presence. We never learned of it doing anything specific to inanimate matter (except for accumulating some debris on its outer surface). Heck, we never learned of it "eating"; the "touch of death" may be completely incidental to the existence of the Amoeba, and the species, while commonplace in the galaxy, virtually never stumbles onto organic life (or else everybody would already know about this species).

The Intrepid might not be digested, but would merely become another bit of debris on the outer surface of the Amoeba, accidentally and quite coincidentally drawn in by the creature's propulsive system or whatnot. Note that the Amoeba did not want probes and shuttles to enter; it might not have wanted to draw in a starship, either, but Kirk fooled it into doing so by suddenly stopping all resistance, and then applied power so that the Amoeba could not spit the starship back out even if it so wanted.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Sarek's staff or Enterprise crew?
Well, I'd guess that the intent was Sarek's entourage, but I suppose there's enough wiggle room that you could interpret it the other way. The question gets even murkier once you consider that "Journey To Babel" writer D.C. Fontana also wrote the novel Vulcan's Glory, which had several Vulcans serving on the Enterprise during Pike's era.

Personally, I prefer Spock to be the only Vulcan onboard during TOS, as that keeps him unique.
 
We might also consider that Spock is private and downright secretive due to the triple whammie of being Vulcan, a halfbreed outcast from Vulcan, and an alien in the middle of humans. Even if there were other Vulcans aboard, he might keep his distance from them. Would an onboard Andorian or Caitian feel inhibited to a similar degree? Only the last of the three points would supposedly apply to keep such an alien from making more of a mark in the adventures. (Or perhaps the second one, too: perhaps a nonhuman joining Starfleet is automatically an outcast? But that would probably encourage camaraderie among the outcasts, rather than onboard isolation.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
In 79 episodes we never got even a passing reference to there being another alien crew member on board.
In Mirror Mirror, Spock has a Vulcan bodyguard, if everyone has a counterpart in both universe, then that Vulcan is aboard the prime universe Enterprise.

 
In Mirror Mirror, Spock has a Vulcan bodyguard, if everyone has a counterpart in both universe, then that Vulcan is aboard the prime universe Enterprise.
Pike is dead in the Mirror Universe and alive in the prime one. Mirror Marlena had been on the MU Enterprise for a while while the prime universe Marlena only transferred over to the Enterprise the week before. Both of those things tell us that the crew complements of the two ships are not exactly the same.
 
It makes you wonder what was left of the Intrepid after the giant space amoeba was through digesting it.
Apparently the antimatter pods didn't rupture or there would have been one huge explosion. Bigger than Enterprise's antimatter probe.
The image of a giant starship shaped hunk of space poo comes to mind. I'd like to see someone CGI that.

Well, we did get the example of silver Voyager in Course:Oblivion. Not quite the same image perhaps, but maybe some similarity.
 
I believe so about the Enterprise. There may have been one other time? Maybe The Ultimate Computer? But the AMT models did show up elsewhere. Most of the Klingon ships on screen, and the later "Romulans" in Klingon ships were AMT kits. I believe AMT also subsidized the creation of the Galileo 7 mock up in exchange for the license.
The only AMT kits in the show were to represent the Enterprise outside Lurry's office, and to serve as the Constellation. Shots of the Constellation were re-used to represent the dead Excalibur. No AMT Klingon kits were used on the show so far as I know, but AMT made the Klingon ship model (precisely twice the size of the kit) which featured on the show.
 
The reason the T'Kumbra had an all-Vulcan crew seems obvious: The captain (Solok) is prejudiced against humans and doesn't want them on his ship.

It's readily apparent, every time Solok is onscreen, that he hates humans and openly gloats about how superior Vulcans supposedly are. If you were a human Starfleet officer, would you want to serve with someone like that?
Nah but he would be in front a sentient equalities tribunal faster than you can say 'Surak laughs'
 
In Mirror Mirror, Spock has a Vulcan bodyguard, if everyone has a counterpart in both universe, then that Vulcan is aboard the prime universe Enterprise.

The irony being the Mirror Starfleet is more diverse than the Prime Starfleet. If you want equal opportunities in your Starfleet career work for an autocratic Terran empire lol
 
'Sorry neither ' was to the phrase 'fair maiden' doesn't mean she was getting it on the regular
Maiden is more likely to mean unmarried (maiden name) than virgin. Fair has a variety of meaning (including skin color), why would Uhura deign being a just and honest person?

 
Maiden is more likely to mean unmarried (maiden name) than virgin. Fair has a variety of meaning (including skin color), why would Uhura deign being a just and honest person?

Because the origin of 'fair maiden' was not based on the female being just and honest
 
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