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NuUhura - uggh (shudder)

NuUhura or Uhura Prime?

  • NuUhura is better

    Votes: 44 43.1%
  • Uhura Prime was better

    Votes: 58 56.9%

  • Total voters
    102
I'm being chastised for recognizing what the character did instead of some undefined "potential?" :wtf:

No, I didn't do that. I just think she made a bigger impact than some give her credit for.

That's not what the meaning of this seems to be, but I'll grant that I may have misinterpreted your words:

UFO said:
But the difference of opinion here seems to be that some of us are saying she was capable of "action" roles or those with greater development, while others are concentrating on what she actually did.
 
And I suspect there is an attempt to minimise her contribution. Part of a general policy toward older Trek by the look of it.

Says who? Uhura Prime didn't have much of a role on the show other than as eye candy. Very rarely did she have much of an impact on the story other than as the helpless female role so typical of a lot of shows of that time period. Even in the movies, her role was limited, virtually non-existent. I've watched all 3 seasons of TOS and the movies with the original cast and this is unfortunately, how her character was written. That's why it's nice that the character was beefed up more in the ST09. nuUhura is the reason why anyone knew what Nero was up to. If she hadn't intercepted the transmission, while in the lab, Starfleet wouldn't have gotten there as fast.
 
That's not what the meaning of this seems to be, but I'll grant that I may have misinterpreted your words:

But the difference of opinion here seems to be that some of us are saying she was capable of "action" roles or those with greater development, while others are concentrating on what she actually did.

Sorry, but that was actually intended to expand on my comment to Temis that: "It seems like we are at cross purposes here". In other words I intend to explain the difference of opinion, not have a go at anyone.

My last comment in that post was not quite so magnanimous however, I admit. :)


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Not giving the non-white characters full names was just casual unconscious insensitivity on the part of Roddenberry and company, and that's all.

Jews are non-white? Still, it doesn't make my contention any less true. :)

And which characters would you say were the Jewish ones?

Good point. I guess there probably aren't that many Jewish Vulcans. :lol: But I thought the implication was that they were both only given one name because of some, perhaps subconscious, prejudice (rather that referring to non-white parts in general). But if not, why is it thought Uhura's single name is bestowed for different reasons than Spock's? Granted he is an alien (casual unconscious insensitivity to aliens?).

I'm probably showing my own cultural insensitivity here but the name "Uhura" seemed enough like a first name that it never seemed odd they always referred to her by her last name.
 
Spock only has one name because he's a Vulcan. It's established on-screen that his full name is simply unpronounceable by humans.

Uhura and Sulu...well, there's no good reason we never learn their first names (on the television series).
 
That's not what the meaning of this seems to be, but I'll grant that I may have misinterpreted your words:

But the difference of opinion here seems to be that some of us are saying she was capable of "action" roles or those with greater development, while others are concentrating on what she actually did.

Sorry, but that was actually intended to expand on my comment to Temis that: "It seems like we are at cross purposes here". In other words I intend to explain the difference of opinion, not have a go at anyone.

My last comment in that post was not quite so magnanimous however, I admit. :)


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Jews are non-white? Still, it doesn't make my contention any less true. :)

And which characters would you say were the Jewish ones?

Good point. I guess there probably aren't that many Jewish Vulcans. :lol: But I thought the implication was that they were both only given one name because of some, perhaps subconscious, prejudice (rather that referring to non-white parts in general). But if not, why is it thought Uhura's single name is bestowed for different reasons than Spock's? Granted he is an alien (casual unconscious insensitivity to aliens?).

I'm probably showing my own cultural insensitivity here but the name "Uhura" seemed enough like a first name that it never seemed odd they always referred to her by her last name.
Who said the reasoning behind Spock's single name was different than then ones for Uhura? Spock is the Tonto or Kato to Kirk's Lone Ranger or Green Hornet. Aliens in SF are often just thinly disquised non white characters (characitures? ;) ) I'm reminded of Kirk in COTEOF trying tell the policeman that Spock is obviously Chinese. :guffaw:
 
... That's why it's nice that the character was beefed up more in the ST09. nuUhura is the reason why anyone knew what Nero was up to. If she hadn't intercepted the transmission, while in the lab, Starfleet wouldn't have gotten there as fast.

Actually I think she helped prevent the Enterprise from getting there too fast, but I take your point and I am not arguing she shouldn't be more involved. She certainly had her fair share of screen time. Unfortunately none of it made me like her.
 
As far as I'm concerned NuUhura was only there for the character development of Spock. She was like the potato that serves only as a vehicle for the sour cream you wish to enjoy.

Let's hope she develops as an individual in ST:XII and not solely as the prod to Spock's angst. Nice as that angst may be.
 
i liked both uhura's..
the line reminded me of the response to the line fair maiden..
sorry neither.

uhura had a sassy side when she was allowed to say something beside open hailing frequencies.
 
Tough call. But since NuUhura got more characterisation in 120 minutes than Prime Uhura across 25 years... I've got to go with her.
 
As far as I'm concerned NuUhura was only there for the character development of Spock. She was like the potato that serves only as a vehicle for the sour cream you wish to enjoy.

She's a supporting character. Kirk and Spock are the starring characters. Everything she does and says is contingent on how it affects or motivates the characters who drive the story.

Still and all, she got more character development than oldUhura.
 
Wow, I had no idea that there was so much dislike for Saldana's portrayal of Uhura in the latest movie. I thought that she was fantastic and that her character was pretty well established while also leaving room for future development. As for the line about farm animals, I didn't have a problem with it but I've been known to be a bit crude and harsh myself to guys pulling lines on me. It's not fair, but tolerance and patience goes down when you deal with the same type of thing over and over.
 
Wow, I had no idea that there was so much dislike for Saldana's portrayal of Uhura in the latest movie. I thought that she was fantastic and that her character was pretty well established while also leaving room for future development. As for the line about farm animals, I didn't have a problem with it but I've been known to be a bit crude and harsh myself to guys pulling lines on me. It's not fair, but tolerance and patience goes down when you deal with the same type of thing over and over.

Pardon the vernacular as I promise in advance I mean nothing by it, but allow me to take on the persona of a clichéd 1920s swinger from New York to answer this statement.

"Toots, ya gots to look at the big picture. For every damn apple that falls from the tree, gonna be somebody complainin' it ain't the right color."

That is to say, people are adamantly for or against everything in this franchise. It startles me sometimes, too. In my personal observations since the movie debuted, this isn't exactly the most common complaint and more people have welcomed Saldana's portrayal than otherwise. But it's Star Trek and there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to the eradication of the woman's contract in future films because there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to everything.

Dennis said:
Whatever shadowy bureaucracy is employing us fans of nuTrek has been missing its deposits to my personal account

You should write more often. I like your style.
 
That is to say, people are adamantly for or against everything on the internet. It startles me sometimes, too. In my personal observations since the movie debuted, this isn't exactly the most common complaint and more people have welcomed Saldana's portrayal than otherwise. But it's the internet and there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to the eradication of the woman's contract in future films because there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to everything.
Fixed :techman:
 
But it's Star Trek and there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to the eradication of the woman's contract in future films because there's going to be a vocal group dedicated to everything.

Oh no, I get that. But it hasn't been just one person, it's been several. That was just surprising to me.
 
I hear you. Mostly I just wanted to sound like a guy from the 1920s for some reason... don't ask why, my brain is mysterious.

It is kind of weird.
 
i liked both uhura's..
the line reminded me of the response to the line fair maiden..
sorry neither.

uhura had a sassy side when she was allowed to say something beside open hailing frequencies.
Yeah I laughed so hard I almost spit up when I heard that line. And NN's delivery was perfect. Uhura Prime also speaks one of the Trek lines that has had a huge impact on my way of viewing the world. "In our time we've learned not to fear words."
 
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