Good God yes. I'm not sure why people/viewers get their cockles rattles by the whole "And they have a plan" thing. There wasn't. It was a tagline. End of line.
It's also not essential to the story at all.
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Good God yes. I'm not sure why people/viewers get their cockles rattles by the whole "And they have a plan" thing. There wasn't. It was a tagline. End of line.
It's also not essential to the story at all.
Perhaps she did, perhaps she didn't. Perhaps she was on a mission and only a mission.
If you've seen my prior posts then you know I haven't seen Razor at this time, but surely even if Gina's just a toaster, she didn't deserve the particulars of how Cain's crew treated her? The word "inhuman", or at least "inhumane", comes to mind.
Of course, I'm sure this is one of the debates that the show intended to raise.
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Of course not. And I never meant to imply that she did. Remember, I said explain, NOT justify.
It just offers a possible explanation as to WHY. Something other than the Pegasus crew just doing what they did for shits and giggles.
Good point.
I don't really feel it "explains" it either. The way the Pegasus crew treated Gina was contemptible, and all things being equal I hope they'd be disciplined harshly for their treatment of her, even if one believes that she's just a toaster.
Consider this: if we found out that any Trek characters were treating a holographic character in the same way that Gina was treated, even knowing that the holograms aren't real and won't even exist afterward, would that not irrevocably alter our opinion of the character(s) in question?
Consider this: if we found out that any Trek characters were treating a holographic character in the same way that Gina was treated, even knowing that the holograms aren't real and won't even exist afterward, would that not irrevocably alter our opinion of the character(s) in question?
That's fair..... I think if we knew a Trek regular was doing that we'd end up putting them on the shit list.
We were told/shown Cain's motivations for aiding and abetting her crew's abuse of Gina: she (Cain) was angry at Gina for the latter having personally betrayed her.
There's a difference between explaining and condoning though. BSG characters were never meant to be scene as being ethical exemplars. They were people struggling to get by. In a war, struggle for survival situation, are you going to ally yourself with the people on your side even though they might not be good people. TWD also deals with this question.
If you're referring to Razor, then as I mentioned previously, I haven't yet seen it. I'll get there.
Anger at a prisoner isn't sufficient motivation for overlooking the level of abuse that Gina was put through.
But then, I guess Cain ultimately paid for her own sins, as did the person who I guess was primarily abusing Gina.
Ok, and from my view that didn't entirely work all that well.
In “Resurrection Ship,” when Cain talks to Baltar in the cell and kicks Gina a couple of times, she makes it more than clear that she took Gina’s presence as a spy personally.
That was the problem. Opening credits narrations can often be throwaway introductions for the casual viewer joining the show; however, "they have a plan" seems more ominous and was part of the mystery at the time as we were left wondering what that plan was. If that line had been something like "and they could be anyone" then we wouldn't have spent four years trying to see how this plan came together.
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I feel vaguely as though it's a spoiler to tell people watching the series for the first time that they don't have a plan when the opening of the show emphasizes that they do, but I'll just go by the theory that between Caprica Six and Boomer the plan they had got tossed out the airlock in favor of a new plan.
Just saw the two-parter with the plague ship. I kind of both like and hate Helo right now.
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You're right--it may be too late, but I am going to put my comment in spoilers if you could do the same?
EDIT: DONE! Although I should mention that every time I have ever recommended this series to first time viewers I share that detail with them so they don't come back to me pissed off.
Anyone know if Katee Sackhoff and Dirk Benedict ever patched things up?
I know she hated his guts for a long time because of what he said about the show. Understandable, really. But did they ever make up? Are they good now?
I mean, they did do that "Starbuck and Starbuck at Starbucks" picture...
I know she hated his guts for a long time because of what he said about the show. Understandable, really. But did they ever make up? Are they good now?
I mean, they did do that "Starbuck and Starbuck at Starbucks" picture...
"I'M NOT A CYLON!!!!! Oh..."