Novel continuity in 2387

[F. King Daniel]

What we saw in "Bloodlines" could operate over "several light-years" according to Data. How far is it between Earth and Kronos? Also, transwarp beaming can also take you from a (relatively) stationary start to a ship at warp. It seems to nullify distance and velocity concerns, wheras what we saw in TNG merely cranked up the range a little way. Or at least, that's how it seems to me.

 

[Relayer1]

The implication in IFM was that Scotty figured out the transwarp beaming equation right at the end, and escaped with it. He presumably has to get back at some point to tell Spock.

Unfortunately though, it seems IFM has been swept under the rug and probably won't be followed up on - which is kinda silly, since he could rematerialize anywhere.

Unhappy as I was at the way IFM has been handled, it doesn't really need a specific follow up. The next time Scotty appears in a Trek novel, all that is really required is a comment along the lines of him working on refining his transwarp beaming formulae and that it has already proved useful/been field tested. Or at a push, just ignore it. You can join the dots yourself...

 

[Christopher]

What we saw in "Bloodlines" could operate over "several light-years" according to Data. How far is it between Earth and Kronos? Also, transwarp beaming can also take you from a (relatively) stationary start to a ship at warp. It seems to nullify distance and velocity concerns, wheras what we saw in TNG merely cranked up the range a little way. Or at least, that's how it seems to me.

Interesting point. Perhaps what Scotty figured out was a refinement of the existing tech -- which was established to be dangerous and impractical.

 

[Technobuilder]

When certain death is imminent... dangerous and impractical start seeming downright logical.

 

[Markonian]

It should be noted that the novelization of Star Trek Into Darkness said that transwarp beaming is too dangerous for usual humanoids, and that Khan only survived the painful ordeal behause of his superhuman strength.

Presumably, the reason why Kirk and Scotty didn't suffer in Star Trek was because the distance skipped was intrasystem, whereas Khan beamed across interstellar distances.

Scotty is coming back anyway to be present for his 200th birthday. (ENT: The Good That Men Do)

 

[tomswift2002]

Presumably, the reason why Kirk and Scotty didn't suffer in Star Trek was because the distance skipped was intrasystem, whereas Khan beamed across interstellar distances.

I think Scotty would disagree in terms of suffering any ill effects. Materializing in a waste pipe?

 

[Christopher]

Presumably, the reason why Kirk and Scotty didn't suffer in Star Trek was because the distance skipped was intrasystem, whereas Khan beamed across interstellar distances.

The first transwarp beaming wasn't intrasystem. It was from Delta Vega to the Enterprise in interstellar space. It was only the second beaming that was intrasystem, from Titan to Earth orbit.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Point 1: In "Bloodlines" La Forge makes modifications to the Enterprise-D's transporter to enable subspace beaming. However in Star Trek 2009 I only recall an equation being entered into the computers to enable transwarp beaming.

Point 2: if I recall correctly from MU: Rise Like Lions, Memory Omega uses subspace beaming to bring Jean-Luc Picard and Deanna Troi to Memory Omega's secret shipyards in the intergalactic void.

Point 3: the 29th century Temporal Integrity Commission must have the transwarp beaming equation as a component or predecessor of temporal transporters because the Relativity was never shown using warp, slipstream, coaxial warp, etc yet it transported Seven and Janeway to Kazon space to Mars, etc. And the only risk is "temporal" psychosis, not "quantum" psychosis.

Point 4: in DTI: Forgotten History, the Vedala transport T'Nuri, Mejian Grey, and Antonio Delgado from Earth to some uninhabited system outside the Federation. Is that transwarp beaming? Plus, in TAS: "The Jihad", the Vedala pull some kind of time trick on Kirk and Spock. Given the Vedala's age, I assume that they pulled a temporal transport on Kirk and Spock.

Point 5: if the epilogue of Engines of Destiny is to be believed, then Scotty has to be alive if he's around to dedicate his own Starfleet Academy building in 2422. And in good enough health too.

 

[Relayer1]

It's about time Scotty was featured. Spock's 'leaving' soon - the opporties to put the two of them chronologically into a story are limited...

 

[tomswift2002]

I was just thinking--- aside from No Time Like The Past, I haven't read any of the TOS era novels that have been released over the past couple of years, but have we seen the Kelvin-class of ship appear in any of the books, since that ship would've been designed and put into service before the "time branch" that seperated the two universes.

 

[The Wormhole]

I was just thinking--- aside from No Time Like The Past, I haven't read any of the TOS era novels that have been released over the past couple of years, but have we seen the Kelvin-class of ship appear in any of the books, since that ship would've been designed and put into service before the "time branch" that seperated the two universes.

No, in fact the only Trek XI reference in any of the TOS novels was Kirk mentioning his Uncle Frank. Although, even then Frank in the Prime Universe is the uncle in Idaho who owned the horses in Generations.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I was just thinking--- aside from No Time Like The Past, I haven't read any of the TOS era novels that have been released over the past couple of years, but have we seen the Kelvin-class of ship appear in any of the books, since that ship would've been designed and put into service before the "time branch" that seperated the two universes.

Well, it was Federation: The First 150 Years that gave it the name Einstein class. It is set entirely in the prime reality, but it is way out of sync with the novel continuity.

 

[Stevil2001]

It's loose and probably invisible, but we timed when McCoy joined Starfleet in A Choice of Catastrophes to when he did it in Star Trek '09.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Presumably, the reason why Kirk and Scotty didn't suffer in Star Trek was because the distance skipped was intrasystem, whereas Khan beamed across interstellar distances.

I think Scotty would disagree in terms of suffering any ill effects. Materializing in a waste pipe?

Water, not waste.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Presumably, the reason why Kirk and Scotty didn't suffer in Star Trek was because the distance skipped was intrasystem, whereas Khan beamed across interstellar distances.

I think Scotty would disagree in terms of suffering any ill effects. Materializing in a waste pipe?

Water, not waste.

Yep, and that was an accident. It proves nothing about any potential risks of transwarp transportation.

 

[Christopher]

I think Scotty would disagree in terms of suffering any ill effects. Materializing in a waste pipe?

Water, not waste.

Yep, and that was an accident. It proves nothing about any potential risks of transwarp transportation.

On the contrary, the whole point of the accident, storywise, was to prove the risk -- to show that the aim over great distances was imprecise. He could just as easily have materialized inside a bulkhead and been killed instantly. And consider that any percentage uncertainty in the coordinates would only increase with greater distance. If there's a margin of error of five meters across two parsecs, say, then that's a margin of 500 meters across 200 parsecs. The farther away the ship is, the lower your odds of materializing inside it at all.

(And I think it wasn't meant to be water, but some kind of coolant. Although the novelization says water.)

 

[Paper Moon]

(And I think it wasn't meant to be water, but some kind of coolant. Although the novelization says water.)

Pretty sure it was meant to be water; the conduits were labeled "inert reactant," which, for reasons beyond me, I recall from high school chemistry as basically meaning water.

If you squint, you can make out "inert reactant" on the pipe to the right in this screencap.

 

[Idran]

(And I think it wasn't meant to be water, but some kind of coolant. Although the novelization says water.)

Pretty sure it was meant to be water; the conduits were labeled "inert reactant," which, for reasons beyond me, I recall from high school chemistry as basically meaning water.

If you squint, you can make out "inert reactant" on the pipe to the right in this screencap.

While it can mean water, all the phrase "inert reactant" means in general is any reactant that is currently in an inert state; see here in the first comment, for example.

 

[Paper Moon]

(And I think it wasn't meant to be water, but some kind of coolant. Although the novelization says water.)

Pretty sure it was meant to be water; the conduits were labeled "inert reactant," which, for reasons beyond me, I recall from high school chemistry as basically meaning water.

If you squint, you can make out "inert reactant" on the pipe to the right in this screencap.

While it can mean water, all the phrase "inert reactant" means in general is any reactant that is currently in an inert state; see here in the first comment, for example.

Good point. Would any coolant generally be an inert reactant as well?

 

[Christopher]

Isn't "inert reactant" an oxymoron? I mean, an inert substance is one that doesn't react chemically.