Rehiring Dennis McCarthy might work in another film. His score for GENERATIONS remains among my favorite Trek soundtracks.
not enough Courage?
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RobertScorpio
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I agree. But just as all things Generations, it ages with fine wine. It is my favorite TNG movie. It has a very good message about how we deal with time in our lives..I GOT IT. And Moore can sit here years later, as does Shatner, and say it wasn't done well, but I don't care. I liked the movie then, and I like it now, and....roll the drums..I like it better than FC which, to me, took a crap all over the continuity of TREK and gets away with it...
Rob
So I've been in a bit of a Giacchino mood lately and was listening to his score for MI:III. What I'd really like to hear in the next movie are Giacchino-ized versions of Gerald Fried (Amok Time) and Fred Steiner (The Doomsday Machine). That would be very cool, IMHO.
I would have liked a bit of a build up toward the Courage theme -- maybe adding in some more prominent "phrases" of the theme as the crew slowly coalesces throughout the film.
Thank you about the lens flares.... One more time: THANK YOU...I've been saying this very same thing for months now with no feedback from anyone (that I've seen). I cannot understand the purpose of the lens flares to make it seem "realistic" when a camera shouldn't be on the bridge in the first place! We are supposed to be flies on the wall, therefore no lens flares should be present...(Jeri don't use your fly joke again...LOL LOL)
omigosh, cakes - i know, right?? why isn't anyone else talking about this?? i have heard complaints that they were over-used, but why were they used at all? wish i had thought of that bit about being a fly on the wall, you put it succinctly and perfectly. the flares didn't bother me at first, but each time i see it they bring me more and more out of what is happening on the screen, and more and more into thinking, 'geez, what is up with that? since when does a director have so much say in stuff like that - shouldn't that be more in the realm of the cinematographer or something?' i should not be thinking about assignment of different responsibilities in the film-making process! i have heard people say they are visually distracting. i would take it a step further and say they are conceptually distracting. 
I would LOVE that too, but i suspect with the relationship between JJ and Giacchino it wont happen. But we can dream, cant we?
omigosh, cakes - i know, right?? why isn't anyone else talking about this?? i have heard complaints that they were over-used, but why were they used at all? wish i had thought of that bit about being a fly on the wall, you put it succinctly and perfectly. the flares didn't bother me at first, but each time i see it they bring me more and more out of what is happening on the screen, and more and more into thinking, 'geez, what is up with that? since when does a director have so much say in stuff like that - shouldn't that be more in the realm of the cinematographer or something?' i should not be thinking about assignment of different responsibilities in the film-making process! i have heard people say they are visually distracting. i would take it a step further and say they are conceptually distracting.
You are the first person out of everything I've read to have the exact same viewpoint...which to me seems obvious.
You know what...they didn't even bother me that much...the extreme closeups did, because they were just too plentiful....but yeah why are they there in the first place (?) and nobody can give a reason why because as we've both surmised...they make no sense at all. ZERO. Nobody affiliated with the movie etc...said hey JJ this lens shit makes no sense...NOBODY?!?!?!? And they get paid for this!
I really don't know who should do what in a movie...but whoever thought of this and implemented this needs a good talking to.
I'm going to go one step further then you and say not only are the conceptually distracting...these flares are conceptually wrong. The concept of it....once again...makes no friggin sense whatsoever!
Finally I've met my soul-mate about this issue
Maybe the bridge is SO SHINY that everything has a glare to it??? Although, why people's faces would have a glare on them I have no clue....
JK, I agree they don't serve any purpose or make sense. They don't really bother me though. I think JJ is just trying to put his "stamp" on the movie so to speak. I read an interview where he was saying he was thinking about having different colors and kinds of flares when different characters were prominent or talking, but they never actually did that. THAT was definitely a little weird...it's like, um, shouldn't you be directing the movie and not worrying about what color to make the lens flares????? The lens flares must just be his stylistic preference though....personally it wouldn't bother me if they were in the next movie.
JK, I agree they don't serve any purpose or make sense. They don't really bother me though. I think JJ is just trying to put his "stamp" on the movie so to speak. I read an interview where he was saying he was thinking about having different colors and kinds of flares when different characters were prominent or talking, but they never actually did that. THAT was definitely a little weird...it's like, um, shouldn't you be directing the movie and not worrying about what color to make the lens flares????? The lens flares must just be his stylistic preference though....personally it wouldn't bother me if they were in the next movie.
i agree, super-sweet. let's hope we continue to agree on issues of immense importance such as this. 
this is fun!
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I actually think, the way you described characters have their own 'color' flare, sounded cool. I would have loved to see them do it...
Rob
I thought it was perfect.
Mr. Perfect, even.
Mr. Perfect, even.
Although this thread discusses the music, i see a couple of people are talking about the lens flares (which i hated, way overdone). I mentioned what i had read on another board...JJ has his take on it....
you can read the article here:
http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous
you can read the article here:
http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous
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And that was even before the movie was in general release. I kind of liked what he said about it last month:
You're right, though -- this is really supposed to be about the score for the movie.
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That quote of JJ's is great! i love it!
That quote of JJ's is great! i love it!
Heh, I thought I was the only one who liked the Generations score.
Even though I thought McCarthy did a great job there, I wouldn't be excited to see him doing the next Trek movie. For one I want to see what Giacchino does to build off of the music in the first one, but even after Giacchino isn't doing them anymore, I'd rather see someone who hadn't done Trek before rather than go back to one of the old Trek composers.
surely abrams is kidding to be cheeky? i mean, even if you like the lens flare, i am not sure how they could possibly put more in and not have it take over.
oh, and yeah, i agree with failedlurker - i am interested to see where giacchino takes the score in the next one. i don't see him using much of anything older, other than as accent like in this one. but he seems talented and skilled enough that i am not worried.
oh, and yeah, i agree with failedlurker - i am interested to see where giacchino takes the score in the next one. i don't see him using much of anything older, other than as accent like in this one. but he seems talented and skilled enough that i am not worried.
Of course he's kidding. If you look at the article linked above by trekgirl (well worth a read, I think), Abrams is quoted as saying that he knows he got carried away with the effect in this movie.
ah, i admit i don't always have time to do all the reading i would like. thank you, that's a bit of a relief to know. 
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