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North Star

Snapper said:
Remember the 'western'episode of TOS? The shoot-out at the OK corral? (I forget the title). I know it wasn't supposed to be an authentic western epi, it was more of a solve-the-mystery-set-for-them-by-aliens, but it was really well done I thought, with the weird sets and camera angles.

Spectre of the Gun. That episode has always stuck in my mind because

embarrassing confession alert!!! :o

The first time I saw it I was really young (not sure of the exact age but certainly under 10) and I really thought they had killed Chekov - I was sooooo upset and crying.

end embarrassing confession :o

Anyway, I dont' know what the point of confessing that was but, basically i agree
 
Snapper said:
^^ What was wrong with her eyes?

She had the Vulcain up-turned eyebrows. I guess they didn't bother with the standard "temporary plastic surgery to blend in with the natives" ploy that is used in so many Star Trek episodes.
 
Awww, Lady Conqueror - sweet story. Pavel always reminded me of Davy Jones from the Monkees.

I always liked the Kirk and Spock jailed scenes. Yeah, Spock usually was the one who delivered the scheme, while Kirk often came up with the plan.
 
Lady Conqueror said:

Spectre of the Gun.

Yes! That was the title - thanks! :lol:

SFRabid said:

She had the Vulcain up-turned eyebrows. I guess they didn't bother with the standard "temporary plastic surgery to blend in with the natives" ploy that is used in so many Star Trek episodes.

I didn't notice that! Duh! I did go back and have a look at some pics, and in some they're obvious, and in others they're not. Perhaps they couldn't change them - didn't JB shave her normal eyebrows from S2 or 3?


commodore64 said:
Awww, Lady Conqueror - sweet story. Pavel always reminded me of Davy Jones from the Monkees.

Yes it was! And by golly yes he did! Small, dark, similar hair, obviously the cute-guy-of-the-day-look! :)
 
It's been a while since I've seen this ep so I've some questions if you all would entertain me.

Am I correct in remembering that the "Skags", I think they were called, abducted these humans as some sort of slave labor? Why wouldn't they pick closer planet? And how did 19th (?) century humans manage to overthrow a species with warp drive?
 
Am I correct in remembering that the "Skags", I think they were called, abducted these humans as some sort of slave labor? Why wouldn't they pick closer planet? And how did 19th (?) century humans manage to overthrow a species with warp drive?
The Skagarans chose humans because humans were suited to survive in that environment. They probably were easy to kidnap, too, since they had no technology. The Skagarans used the humans as slave labour to establish its colony, but the humans revolted once on-planet. I think the inference there is that the humans outnumbered the Skagarans (and were highly motivated). The logs telling the story end after six months on the planet (again, the inference being the Skagarans were taken by surprise and unable to call for reinforcements). And then the humans decimated the Skagaran population when the humans revolted. I don't think warp drive would have helped them at that point. After a while, the technology (like the transporter and phasers) was lost.

Hope that helps.
 
I liked this ep, even if it was a bit weird in the middle ogf the Xindi arc. I still find it hard to believe that catfish eatin'/pee-can pie lovin' Trip didn't know how to ride a horse. They rednecked him up plenty before this episode, so why the lapse?
 
People who eat catfish and pecan pie are automatically rednecks? People who eat such food all ride horses? All rednecks can ride horses?

Seriously, I don't know where this idea that Trip is a redneck country boy comes from. The guy's a warp engineer, for heaven's sake.
 
Pensive said:
I liked this ep, even if it was a bit weird in the middle ogf the Xindi arc. I still find it hard to believe that catfish eatin'/pee-can pie lovin' Trip didn't know how to ride a horse. They rednecked him up plenty before this episode, so why the lapse?

Southerners are not necessarily rednecks. Rednecks are not necessarily southerners. They never made trip out to be a redneck.
 
I live in Alabama, have my whole life. I know a thing or two about rednecks ;)

Connor himself said the writing for Trip was a little "hayseed" at times. It wasn't the accent that made Trip rednecky; it was the writing. Personally, I think the only way they could have country'ed him up more was to have him smuggle a can of Skoal on board. Honestly, he played harmonica and liked catfish/pecan pie, with that kind of writing it was hard to see him being so awkward on a horse!
 
I've lived in Kentucky all my life. Never road a horse. Never wanted to be around hourses. I'm not sure why people think that southerners have more access to horses than anyone else. The Trip character is from Florida, not Texas. Florida is much like Kentucky in one respect, horses are ridden by jockies, not rednecks or cowboys. :)
 
Pensive said:
I live in Alabama, have my whole life. I know a thing or two about rednecks ;)

So have I. And welcome to the board. It's good to have another Bama person around. (War Eagle/Roll Tide?)

Connor himself said the writing for Trip was a little "hayseed" at times. It wasn't the accent that made Trip rednecky; it was the writing. Personally, I think the only way they could have country'ed him up more was to have him smuggle a can of Skoal on board. Honestly, he played harmonica and liked catfish/pecan pie, with that kind of writing it was hard to see him being so awkward on a horse!


Yes, he was quite a southerner.

I like catfish, pecan pie, and have been known to dip skoal on rare occasion. But I've been on a horse maybe twice in my whole life, and would be kinda clumsy if I hopped on one right now. I just don't see any inconsistency in the writing there.
;)
 
War damn Eagle, moocey. :bolian:

I love riding horses, even though it's been a while since I've done it.

SFRabid, it depends on what part of FL you're in as to whether you get jockeys or rednecks. The panhandle is Redneck Riviera, and the peninsula is South New York. ;) Trip was from Panama City, which is smack dab in the middle of the panhandle.
 
bluedana said:
People who eat catfish and pecan pie are automatically rednecks? People who eat such food all ride horses? All rednecks can ride horses?

Seriously, I don't know where this idea that Trip is a redneck country boy comes from. The guy's a warp engineer, for heaven's sake.

I think things aren't black and white. Trip is possibly less refined than others (the idea of him is that he's more naive than either Archer or T'Pol) ... but I don't know if that has anything to do with his Southern background.
 
Let's see, I'm from North Dakota, I like pecan pie but I hate catfish, I usually talk like a hick, I'm going into engineering, and I can ride a horse, unlike Trip. Redneck, huh? Yeah, I might not be from an urban area, and I'm guessing that Trip might not be either, but you would think being smart enough to be an engineer would kind of make him not a redneck.
 
Yeah, I might not be from an urban area, and I'm guessing that Trip might not be either, but you would think being smart enough to be an engineer would kind of make him not a redneck.
I agree. Trip never once struck me as being dumb or unsophisticated. He reads comic books - so does my double Harvard educated attorney/minister husband. Inexperienced, yes, even a little provincial starting out; but even using the term "redneck" shows both a lack of understanding of what that term really means, and a prejudice on the viewer's part regarding certain aspects of American culture. Do we assume that Reed is upperclass royalty because he has posh English accent, and therefore should be able to ...do whatever stereotypical thing British people do (I honestly can't think of anything except eating bangers and mash, and that's not a skill, really)? If you look at comments dating back to Broken Bow, fans automatically jumped to the conclusion that Trip = southern = impulsivity = dumb hick.

As Captain X said, though, dude's an engineer. Last time I checked, riding a horse wasn't a prerequisite for that.
 
Pensive said:
SFRabid, it depends on what part of FL you're in as to whether you get jockeys or rednecks. The panhandle is Redneck Riviera, and the peninsula is South New York. ;) Trip was from Panama City, which is smack dab in the middle of the panhandle.

HEY! I have friends with beach condos in the panhandle. :p

My parents also spent 20 years as snowbirds going to Lake Wails every winter to fish. I tend to bounce between Clearwater Beach, Vero Beach and Disney.

I'm so confused. :wtf:

:D
 
Kalen Archer said:
I liked this episode a lot. The sets and costumes were great.

The best bit is where Malcolm shoots T'Pol. Hilarious, the look on that bloke's face who was using her as a shield.
 
T'Pol really should've been able to kick that guy's ass, but once again she's weakened to be the damsel in distress. Definately not my favorite part of the episode. Actually for me it was mainly a nostalgia thing, since the episode itself didn't much belong in season 3's overall arc and had one of the most beaten to death messages in Hollywood.
 
You're right, T'Pol could've kicked his ass, were it not for the gun at her temple. Which is why Reed shoots T'Pol, not the bad guy with his finger on the trigger. One twitch and she's dead, since it's a projectile weapon.
 
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