North Star
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Malcolm didn't give her time to work out a strategy, he just shot her. That threw the bloke who was holding her hostage off balance and, at the same time, probably saved T'Pol's life.
It was rather clever of Malcolm, pulling that stunt and all. Plus, the scene was funny... sort of.
It was rather clever of Malcolm, pulling that stunt and all. Plus, the scene was funny... sort of.
Perhaps I should have said, One twitch of the bad guy's trigger finger and T'Pol would have been dead, to be clearer. The point being, no matter how strong or how fast she is, she's not going to outrun that bullet, with the muzzle pressed up against her head.
I'm usually pretty quick to stomp all over "me-helpless-female" scenarios, but in this case, I don't think there's anything she could have done. Plus, I can well imagine that Speed might be one of Reed's favorite movies, with all the stuff blowing up and whatnot.
North Star would have been alright if they'd made the following changes…
The crew are shown cursing as they attempt to construct 19th century clothes and weapons without the aid of replicators.
T'Pol's scans reveal the planet is enveloped in a cultural development suspension field.
Trip offers to trade T'Pol for a good horse.
Trip stampedes the entire town when he plays his mouth organ.
A scene where Archer and Trip bet on whether they'll be helped by a schoolteacher or a whore with a heart of gold.
Trip and Reed recreate the love scene from Brokeback Mountain.
Archer is driven mad by Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling being played over and over throughout the entire episode.
The skags sing Swing Low, Sweet Chariot as they work.
When the skag children ask where the rest of their people are, the schoolteacher points up at the sky and says: "They went that-a-way."
The female MACO headbutts a horse when it tries to mount her.
During the shootout clouds of steam fly up when the plasma bolts hit the water trough, scalding the villains half to death.
In yet another of his Freudian slips, Archer tells T'Pol to head them off at the ass.
T'Pol gets arrested for wearing her catsuit in a public place.
Archer convinces the humans to begin accepting skags as equals, but things go wrong again when Mayweather is made sheriff (for an idea of subsequent events, see Blazing Saddles).
The crew are shown cursing as they attempt to construct 19th century clothes and weapons without the aid of replicators.
T'Pol's scans reveal the planet is enveloped in a cultural development suspension field.
Trip offers to trade T'Pol for a good horse.
Trip stampedes the entire town when he plays his mouth organ.
A scene where Archer and Trip bet on whether they'll be helped by a schoolteacher or a whore with a heart of gold.
Trip and Reed recreate the love scene from Brokeback Mountain.
Archer is driven mad by Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling being played over and over throughout the entire episode.
The skags sing Swing Low, Sweet Chariot as they work.
When the skag children ask where the rest of their people are, the schoolteacher points up at the sky and says: "They went that-a-way."
The female MACO headbutts a horse when it tries to mount her.
During the shootout clouds of steam fly up when the plasma bolts hit the water trough, scalding the villains half to death.
In yet another of his Freudian slips, Archer tells T'Pol to head them off at the ass.
T'Pol gets arrested for wearing her catsuit in a public place.
Archer convinces the humans to begin accepting skags as equals, but things go wrong again when Mayweather is made sheriff (for an idea of subsequent events, see Blazing Saddles).
All good ideas.
i like to read history. i go through different periods at different times. recently did a little reading about the period leading up to the civil war and came across something that probably has been bought up before.
frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
Eureka!frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
It totally makes sense that the newly emancipated humans would name their first settlement North Star...or at least that David Goodman would name the episode after that newspaper.
Good catch. Thanks!
The inference might also be that the Skags, far from being a mighty conquering species, were a bunch of two-bit criminals who were engaged in an illegal mining scheme and had to resort to some surprising tricks to pull it off. They'd scam at the first sign of trouble, too.
Examples of this exist elsewhere: VOY "The 37s" and the Briori, and TOS "Paradise Syndrome" and the Preservers, probably also dealt with small bands of criminals who only operated one ship and tried to do everything else on the cheap.
Timo Saloniemi
Eureka!frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
It totally makes sense that the newly emancipated humans would name their first settlement North Star...or at least that David Goodman would name the episode after that newspaper.
Good catch. Thanks!
that's a fascinating piece of history, I wish I'd know that. But I named the town (and episode) "North Star" because it felt like astronomy with an old west motif. Sorry HopefulRomantic.
Sorry that David Goodman himself dropped by to let us in on the origin of the town's name? Mmmnope, not me. It has a nice romantic feel to it, just like a John Ford Western.Eureka!frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
It totally makes sense that the newly emancipated humans would name their first settlement North Star...or at least that David Goodman would name the episode after that newspaper.
Good catch. Thanks!
that's a fascinating piece of history, I wish I'd know that. But I named the town (and episode) "North Star" because it felt like astronomy with an old west motif. Sorry HopefulRomantic.
Thanks for clearing up that little mystery.I enjoyed North Star very much. Great production values across the board, and I loved seeing the Universal backlot on the show, and the Big Three in Western duds. Wonderful stuff.
First time I watched it, when it opened up I thought about that awful episode of TOS 'Spectre of the Gun'. Oh noooo, I groaned. But it turned out to be a very entertaining episode.
They did look good in those outfits.
They did look good in those outfits.
Eureka!frederick douglass founded and wrote for the abolitionist newspaper north star.
it was published out of rochester which might tie in with archer's birthplace being changed to upstate new york if the name of the town episode wasnt a coincidence.
It totally makes sense that the newly emancipated humans would name their first settlement North Star...or at least that David Goodman would name the episode after that newspaper.
Good catch. Thanks!
that's a fascinating piece of history, I wish I'd know that. But I named the town (and episode) "North Star" because it felt like astronomy with an old west motif. Sorry HopefulRomantic.
ah too bad..
because it also fit in with moving archer's birth place. :0
it is i have known so many sf authors who weave a lot of history into their works.
it would have been a nice subtle nod to both the humans and their earlier freedom and the aliens later freedom to learn.
Mr. Goodman -- thank you. Your post(s) in this thread have been amusing. What have you been up to lately?
North Star is an episode that has aged well for me. The first time I saw it I thought it was mediocre. When I saw the repeat of it I liked it better, thought it was an OK episode. Recently I saw it again a 3rd time on HDNet and I liked it a lot (finally seeing it in high definition helped too). A very stylish and well made episode.
...but that would make the most sense. Surely the Preservers wouldn't have been up to anything benevolent if they transplanted these Americans from the apparent 17th-19th centuries to a planet constantly bombarded by asteroids.
The Preserver modus operandi differs little from the Briori or Skagarran ones: a small-scale transplantation operation to a distant, out-of-the-way planet, with primitives as the victims, and with little or no effort to hide the fact of transplantation or the existence of the transplanters from said victims. Preservation of culture, my ass! And a deflector system that manipulates giant asteroids at the push of a single button (but has a whole array of complex controls, obviously for doing something else) would be ideal for running an illegal mining racket and using the primitives for labor. It would be just a cruel joke to scribble the surfaces of the deflector obelisk with messages of goodwill...
Timo Saloniemi
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