Just finished watching this one. What a turkey. First off, what's up with all the stock footage! Yeesh. Was that runabout flying through the doors of the dyson sphere!? I know the show doesn't have a huge budget, but the story and the writing was no better. The whole thing just felt rushed, under budgeted, and rang hollow. I've been enjoying my re-watching of Voyager so far, but this may be my least favorite episode so far (at least after Initiations).
Non Sequitur
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Ahh, I actually liked "Initiations" quite a bit... But "Non Sequitur" really lives up to the title. Did they blow all the budget in the location shooting or what? Before paying for a competently rewritten script?
Kim's personal hell was an alternate universe that wasn't alternate enough to be interesting, nor did it ring true for what we would expect of the "real" San Francisco and Starfleet of the time. For example, if weird is the norm for Starfleet, how come Kim's superiors can't figure out what's going on? And when we see known characters, like Paris, we again fail to see either dissimilarity or similarity that would be interesting enough. And should we care about these "parallel fates"? Are they "real" or just a simulation from the depths of the sadistic alien's mind? The whole thing sort of falls flat at the revelation, and then we should again get all excited about alternate Paris in heroic jeopardy? "No consequence", indeed.
Timo Saloniemi
Kim's personal hell was an alternate universe that wasn't alternate enough to be interesting, nor did it ring true for what we would expect of the "real" San Francisco and Starfleet of the time. For example, if weird is the norm for Starfleet, how come Kim's superiors can't figure out what's going on? And when we see known characters, like Paris, we again fail to see either dissimilarity or similarity that would be interesting enough. And should we care about these "parallel fates"? Are they "real" or just a simulation from the depths of the sadistic alien's mind? The whole thing sort of falls flat at the revelation, and then we should again get all excited about alternate Paris in heroic jeopardy? "No consequence", indeed.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo? Been a while since you saw this one?
Kim flew into a "timestream" which turned him around and around till he lost all sense of direction and excited into the wrong universe. A kindly space god took pity on him and made sure Harry aclimatized right into his new universe (of course they never mentioned what happened to the original Kim in this (Brannon wrote this out right by himself!) "time stream" so they weren't bumping into each other and there was no mention towards "intergration" like how the 29th century Time Cops are wont to do when they have multiple copies of the same person floating around...
Wait?
I'm starting to lose track of the fake science underlying this stinker. Kim was so (*&ing self important that he assumed Daniel Byrd who took his place on Voyager couldn't get the crew home because he's just that fantastic because he was super certain only he would be instrumental in the ships safety and eventual return home... O god do I have to watch it again? Threshhold is on. Do I watch old Brannon or new Brannon?
No, on second thought actually, I don't think he traveled to a new universe at all, Kim kust changed the current universe which is why what he did to Daniel was unfair and that daniel shouldn't be lost in space when that was Kim's unfortunate destiny Kim shouldn't feel comfortable lumbering on another sweet soul... Wiki says it was another universe. Frack it.
But the story wasn't about Kim at all. Non Sequitur was all about Tom.
Tom beat up Quark. Which is odd, since Tom pwned Quark in the pilot... As he kept Kim out of trouble... Really are we to believe that being given the responsibility of looking after others is what changed these Toms? So looking after a pet like Kim is more rehabilitative (which is what happened in Non Sequitur too.) than being imprisoned. And it wasn't until Kim needed a crutch that Tom started acting like a man rather than lording it up as a drunk pool shark droning on about his daddy issues.
"Let me help"
"A hundred years or so from now, a famous novelist will write a classic using that theme. He'll recommend those three words, even over 'I love you'."
So, um did Kim save Toms soul and then return the universe to it's original shape erasing those adventures and the universal population or with everything left intact, is Tom going to go back to jail for stealing a shuttle craft and "emergency beaming" Harry into space as if he was making him walk the plank that the authorities think Tom is now a murderer... So that if he's not sent back to New Zealand, then it's off to the nut house on Elba II because of the mad ramblings about alternate universes?
I liked Non Sequitur, but considering Harry dies 10 weeks later in Deadlock it's a pretty stupid decision in hindsight that his corpse doesn't promote their journey all that much other being a bioresource for the quantum duplicate which took his place... Unless all the crew died and it is Kim and Naomi who are the last real people aboard Voyager till they take on Seven and the Equinox 5.
Which would make the 6 of them the only real Starfleet Officers aboard and the between them a pecking order of authority should be established instead of allowing the pretenders to play at being human... Does that make Harry the Captain? other than that Janeway had no authority to demote the Equinox 5 to "lowly crewmen" Kim might still outrank them all.
sigh.
Kim flew into a "timestream" which turned him around and around till he lost all sense of direction and excited into the wrong universe. A kindly space god took pity on him and made sure Harry aclimatized right into his new universe (of course they never mentioned what happened to the original Kim in this (Brannon wrote this out right by himself!) "time stream" so they weren't bumping into each other and there was no mention towards "intergration" like how the 29th century Time Cops are wont to do when they have multiple copies of the same person floating around...
Wait?
I'm starting to lose track of the fake science underlying this stinker. Kim was so (*&ing self important that he assumed Daniel Byrd who took his place on Voyager couldn't get the crew home because he's just that fantastic because he was super certain only he would be instrumental in the ships safety and eventual return home... O god do I have to watch it again? Threshhold is on. Do I watch old Brannon or new Brannon?
No, on second thought actually, I don't think he traveled to a new universe at all, Kim kust changed the current universe which is why what he did to Daniel was unfair and that daniel shouldn't be lost in space when that was Kim's unfortunate destiny Kim shouldn't feel comfortable lumbering on another sweet soul... Wiki says it was another universe. Frack it.
But the story wasn't about Kim at all. Non Sequitur was all about Tom.
Tom beat up Quark. Which is odd, since Tom pwned Quark in the pilot... As he kept Kim out of trouble... Really are we to believe that being given the responsibility of looking after others is what changed these Toms? So looking after a pet like Kim is more rehabilitative (which is what happened in Non Sequitur too.) than being imprisoned. And it wasn't until Kim needed a crutch that Tom started acting like a man rather than lording it up as a drunk pool shark droning on about his daddy issues.
"Let me help"
"A hundred years or so from now, a famous novelist will write a classic using that theme. He'll recommend those three words, even over 'I love you'."
So, um did Kim save Toms soul and then return the universe to it's original shape erasing those adventures and the universal population or with everything left intact, is Tom going to go back to jail for stealing a shuttle craft and "emergency beaming" Harry into space as if he was making him walk the plank that the authorities think Tom is now a murderer... So that if he's not sent back to New Zealand, then it's off to the nut house on Elba II because of the mad ramblings about alternate universes?
I liked Non Sequitur, but considering Harry dies 10 weeks later in Deadlock it's a pretty stupid decision in hindsight that his corpse doesn't promote their journey all that much other being a bioresource for the quantum duplicate which took his place... Unless all the crew died and it is Kim and Naomi who are the last real people aboard Voyager till they take on Seven and the Equinox 5.
Which would make the 6 of them the only real Starfleet Officers aboard and the between them a pecking order of authority should be established instead of allowing the pretenders to play at being human... Does that make Harry the Captain? other than that Janeway had no authority to demote the Equinox 5 to "lowly crewmen" Kim might still outrank them all.
sigh.
It gets worse. I just found Daniel Byrd. 
It's funny how these things gel. I finally get myself into the groove to watch an Aliens in America Marathon and i find the bloke whom Harry Kim cockblocked from being a hero in saving the crew again and again from certain doom.
It's funny how these things gel. I finally get myself into the groove to watch an Aliens in America Marathon and i find the bloke whom Harry Kim cockblocked from being a hero in saving the crew again and again from certain doom.
She was a major character in the homecoming novels.
but Harry trying to screw around on her as early as time and time again when Tom was trying to arrange a small orgy on the holodeck with the Delaney sisters.
but then he was 19 or 20 when the ship was lost. Who expects faithfulness from a man of any age, god for bid a boy?
Voyager borrows elements from the Odyssey. I love that. Penelope waiting 20 years for the return of her 20 years lost husband while a retinue of suitors try to get a leg over on her?
Even Mark couldn't keep the candle burning.
but Harry trying to screw around on her as early as time and time again when Tom was trying to arrange a small orgy on the holodeck with the Delaney sisters.
but then he was 19 or 20 when the ship was lost. Who expects faithfulness from a man of any age, god for bid a boy?
Voyager borrows elements from the Odyssey. I love that. Penelope waiting 20 years for the return of her 20 years lost husband while a retinue of suitors try to get a leg over on her?
Even Mark couldn't keep the candle burning.
OMG, Blood Fever wasn't that bad and neither was Macrocosm!!! But that's just a difference in opinions. I loved Blood Fever..and Macrocosm wasn't one of my favorites but it did live up to it's name. Anyway, couldn't stand Non Sequitor..I mean, what was the point of that ep anyway? Kim being suddenly transported to a third deminision of space? Are you freaking kidding me?! Anyway, that ep sucked. But the royal stinker was Threshold..*shivers* EEEEWW!
freak said:
OMG, Blood Fever wasn't that bad and neither was Macrocosm!!! But that's just a difference in opinions. I loved Blood Fever..and Macrocosm wasn't one of my favorites but it did live up to it's name. Anyway, couldn't stand Non Sequitor..I mean, what was the point of that ep anyway? Kim being suddenly transported to a third deminision of space? Are you freaking kidding me?! Anyway, that ep sucked. But the royal stinker was Threshold..*shivers* EEEEWW!
Threshold was so silly it could be laughed at. I just found Blood Fever offensive (B'Elanna reduced to begging for sex, Vorik trying to rape her with no consequences, etc) and Macrocosm an Alien rip-off with awful special effects.
donners22 said:
freak said:
OMG, Blood Fever wasn't that bad and neither was Macrocosm!!! But that's just a difference in opinions. I loved Blood Fever..and Macrocosm wasn't one of my favorites but it did live up to it's name. Anyway, couldn't stand Non Sequitor..I mean, what was the point of that ep anyway? Kim being suddenly transported to a third deminision of space? Are you freaking kidding me?! Anyway, that ep sucked. But the royal stinker was Threshold..*shivers* EEEEWW!
Threshold was so silly it could be laughed at. I just found Blood Fever offensive (B'Elanna reduced to begging for sex, Vorik trying to rape her with no consequences, etc) and Macrocosm an Alien rip-off with awful special effects.
Actually, I took that to mean something a whole hell of a lot damn worse. What if there are NEVER any consequences for Vulcan's who rapes under the influence of Ponn Farr? I mean, it is temporary insanity after all... And the Vulcan governement could make it worth all their victims while... Which later became the adopted custom of the Federation...
Fully Vulcan ships, would be unmanageable. If there were always two or three crewmen who couldn't help themselves from being psychotically violent rapists... Which is not 300th as bad as if when a bunch of Vulcans do get together that they "sychronise" as sometimes is the automative custom of human woman with their monthly cycles that the entire crew loses it at exactly the same time?
I agree. I've always had a very negative memory of Voyager, so I was glad to find that I quite liked the first season this time around. I felt it was pretty solid. The second season has, however, been letting me down.
That's a rather horrifying thought. I'd like to think that the Federation has found a way to deal with such a thing legally and pratically.
You mean apart from making sure there are no moral or ethical restriction of the sexual exploits one is capable of performing on a holodeck?
In Blood fever, the Doctor assumed he was inventing something new. Although since the prostigram lacked any telepathic aspect a Vulcan would need to accept that his/her sexual partner was real... He turned his nose up. But years later Tuvok banged his holowife with out a second though to any lack of reality within his new sexual partner.
The Vulcans are vuictorian and tight lipped abou7t the entire matter. His wonderful Docotr didn't even notice that Tuvok had syphilis fro goodness sake... Though he did spot the space clap on Kim with in minutes.
In Blood fever, the Doctor assumed he was inventing something new. Although since the prostigram lacked any telepathic aspect a Vulcan would need to accept that his/her sexual partner was real... He turned his nose up. But years later Tuvok banged his holowife with out a second though to any lack of reality within his new sexual partner.
The Vulcans are vuictorian and tight lipped abou7t the entire matter. His wonderful Docotr didn't even notice that Tuvok had syphilis fro goodness sake... Though he did spot the space clap on Kim with in minutes.
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