NICE!! "The Changeling" was always one of my favorite TOS episodes.
Non-fans of TWoK....
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Based on what? I think you could make an equally valid argument that by the time of the movies, it was Roddenberry whose understanding of the source material (TOS) was flawed and in error. Certainly, I think by the time of the 80's, the "Roddenberry vision" of Star Trek bore very little resemblence to what he himself had written and produced in the 60's.
Bennett extracted the action from TOS & built on that almost exclusively.
But then Roddenberry extracted the science fiction out of TOS & built amost exclusely on that.
Know what? No one but ME understands the source material!
The transporter accident is a big "so what?" Yeah, you can get hurt on a spaceship when the technology fails. You...uh...fizzle away with a strange noise and a little flickering light? Meh.
ST:TMP has a "cinematic feel" in terms of the composition in the frame, the obvious expense of the whole shebang, and the ponderous pace of storytelling which resembles nothing so much as a mediocre film of pre-or-early 1960s vintage. That said, a mediocre movie that looks like a movie is...a mediocre movie.
Some Trek fans love ST:TMP. No one else much ever has, because they expect entertainment for their time and money and have no prior emotional attachment to the faces or places.
I'd have them in a different order, but they're the only three that interest me.
Thank you - I make that argument all the time, and it's one of the main reasons I don't really consider TMP to be any more canon than TWOK.
That scene was unnecessarily gruesome and horrific - it didn't fit with the tone of the film, and I find it hard to believe that they would have blindly beamed someone aboard a ship when it had already been established to base personnel that the transporters weren't functional.
Luckily, the skip button removes that scene rather nicely.
Actually, to test my editing skills, I took it upon myself to "improve" TMP by cutting down the long, drawn-out scenes and tighten up the whole thing, including that scene. There's actually a pretty damn good movie hidden under the ten-minute long establishing shots and redundant dialogue. I'm planning on posting the final version on YouTube pretty soon, and I'd be honored if you checked it out.Luckily, the skip button removes that scene rather nicely.
Interesting. Are you using the computer or a DVD-R for the actual editing? I've never edited digitally yet.
I used my laptop, and Windows Movie Maker. It's a VERY primitive, bare-bones editor really only good for music videos, but I know how to use it to get more out of it than it's designed to do, which is good. 
Someday I plan on doing a "master edit" of it using better editing software, but as of now WMM is all I've got (although it will make for a good "blueprint" on doing the master edit).
Someday I plan on doing a "master edit" of it using better editing software, but as of now WMM is all I've got (although it will make for a good "blueprint" on doing the master edit).
I'm sure that TMP would have gone through the typical editing/tightening up process that most films go through, but the problem is that they never screened it to a test audience, which is a crucial part in the production of many films. It was rushed into its premiere, with even some of the special effects missing or incomplete. I'm sure that if they had had just a LITTLE more time to put the finishing touches on it, it wouldn't have been the bomb that it was. I was doubtful that it would ever be enjoyable, but after watching my edited version I made the shocking discovery that it's actually really good! I hope you'll check out my version once I've posted it, too.
after watching my edited version I made the shocking discovery that it's actually really good! I hope you'll check out my version once I've posted it, too.
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This has been said man many times here.
TMP wasn't a bomb. It got so-so reviews and made a good chunk of change...but it wasn't a bomb like Moment By Moment.
I'm of the opinion that it'll never be realllllly good. There's just too many fundamental flaws.I was doubtful that it would ever be enjoyable, but after watching my edited version I made the shocking discovery that it's actually really good! I hope you'll check out my version once I've posted it, too.
I'll take that as a vote of confidence - thanks! It's nice to have some motivation on the project, so I appreciate it.
Fair enough...but I'm hoping that maybe, juuuust maybe, I can change your opinion after you see my work.
Turn it it into a 90 minute, well-edited flick & I'll totally disagree with you there.
Funny you should mention that...my completed cut IS actually about 90 minutes (a little more), and I didn't cut a single line of crucial dialogue or action. It's kind of crazy when you think about the fact that I was able to cut out a half-hour's worth of useless footage... 
Were you able to check out my rough cut sample?
Were you able to check out my rough cut sample?
Baited breath, dude!
I'm sure that TMP would have gone through the typical editing/tightening up process that most films go through, but the problem is that they never screened it to a test audience, which is a crucial part in the production of many films. It was rushed into its premiere, with even some of the special effects missing or incomplete. I'm sure that if they had had just a LITTLE more time to put the finishing touches on it, it wouldn't have been the bomb that it was. I was doubtful that it would ever be enjoyable, but after watching my edited version I made the shocking discovery that it's actually really good! I hope you'll check out my version once I've posted it, too.
Cool! I'm more fond of the character scenes rather than the effects shots but it would be fun to see an edited version.
When your done, can I persuade you to edit Star Wars 3? That is another film that is waaay too long because they spent too much time tying up loose ends that are supposed to be tied up in the later films e.g. I don't really want to know that Anakin is Darth Vader - just edit out referneces to his as Vader and leave him burning on the edge of the volcano; I don't want to know the identity of Luke and Leia (nor to be left wondering why Leia remembers a mother that she new for about 30 seconds), and I don't need to know who adopted them either. In ten years time I'd like to think that a new generation of children could watch them in order and be as wowed as I was when Vader's identity is revealed.
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That's an interesting idea about Star Wars III...since it mostly seems like the ending you'd like to see a modified version of, I could try whipping up an edited ending sequence. But you make some interesting points; it would have been cooler to NOT hear Yoda talk about going to Dagobah - better to wonder "What happened to him?" and then finally find out in "The Empire Strikes Back." That would also ensure that whatever Yoda says about his past isn't redundant or simply a summary of the plotlines of the other films. Interesting idea!
