qarSuv said:
One other thing with Uhura's language scene: given the reversed topic of Klingon (Object - Verb - Subject) it's REALLY easy for one not used to it to switch parts of speech like she did
Oh my FUCKING God.
No - you were *incompetent*
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Oh my FUCKING God.
Like by telling her to not catch any bugs and laughing in her face?
Anyway, it's obvious why it did play out that way. The listening outpost undoubtedly was waiting for signs of the Enterprise or another starship sneaking in. Obviously any starship would have a fluent Klingon speaker or at least the sonorous BBC-accented tones of the universal translator to answer them in neat Klingon.
The distant ship answering clumsily and with only a dim recognition of the words is clearly a two-bit operation that'll be lucky not to fly itself into a sun, and therefore isn't of interest and isn't even worth rousing the K'oast Guard for. Happily, that's just the response Spock and Chekov anticipated.
For once, I think we're in agreement on something.A beaker full of death said:
Oh my FUCKING God.qarSuv said:
One other thing with Uhura's language scene: given the reversed topic of Klingon (Object - Verb - Subject) it's REALLY easy for one not used to it to switch parts of speech like she did
Oh, and qarSuv...
Was there any evidence, pre-ENT, that a communications officer was supposed to be fluent in alien languages? This is an officer who wore an engineering division colour in the series and in many scenes in the series and the movies (ST:IV's probe transmission springs to mind as I watched it last night) seems a comm technician much more than a linguist. And with the universal translator the need for a comm linguist would have diminished significantly.
Red in TOS (or Yellow in TNG onward) dosen't necssairly mean being an engineer. Red was for support which included engineering and security. (All those poor red-shirts weren't engineers they were security officers.)
In TNG this was mostly adjusted/clarified as being "operations" which suggests dealing with the operation of the ship (again security and engineering.) Communications would seem to fall under "support" and "operations" too.
In TNG this was mostly adjusted/clarified as being "operations" which suggests dealing with the operation of the ship (again security and engineering.) Communications would seem to fall under "support" and "operations" too.
The God Thing said:
Of course, when one looks at who directed these films...
TGT
Yeah, Berman and Braga really screwed those movies up. DAMN YOU BERMAGA!!!!11!!1
CaptJimboJones said:
The God Thing said:
Of course, when one looks at who directed these films...
TGT
Yeah, Berman and Braga really screwed those movies up. DAMN YOU BERMAGA!!!!11!!1
Well, TGT hates all of Trek post-TMP so I doubt he was making a specific slander against Bermaga considering Nimoy, Shatner, and Meyer directed Trek movies too.
You know, this is a classic case of fanboy nitpicking. When films like TWOK or TUC don't fit in with the sensibilities of narrow minded Trekkies like TGT or Mojojoe, they find minute errors in the film such as McCoy's alleged incompetence or Uhura's lack of Klingon linguistics (I think that, as pointed out by Chekov's dialogue, such things have been remedied by the universal translators), errors that can be found in any film because, let's face it, no film is 100% perfect or accurate, and use it as ammunition to rip into the films.
Well, though I don't have a list in front of me, as some people here might, I'm sure that there are a plethora of errors in TMP, but I'm not seeing TGT or Mojojoe pointing those out. And you have to admit, Meyer's Trek films brought back that spirit of adventure and action that TOS was, in addition to the thought provoking ideas of past sins returning, mortality, and what and old soldier must do when his enemies need his aid, that was lacking in TMP. Which was a sterile, bland, watered down version of 2001 with yet another of of Roddenberry's recycled "Enterprise encounters God but turns out to be..." plots.
Well, though I don't have a list in front of me, as some people here might, I'm sure that there are a plethora of errors in TMP, but I'm not seeing TGT or Mojojoe pointing those out. And you have to admit, Meyer's Trek films brought back that spirit of adventure and action that TOS was, in addition to the thought provoking ideas of past sins returning, mortality, and what and old soldier must do when his enemies need his aid, that was lacking in TMP. Which was a sterile, bland, watered down version of 2001 with yet another of of Roddenberry's recycled "Enterprise encounters God but turns out to be..." plots.
I believe at the start of that scene, the Klingon soldier at the listening post is half asleep and half drunk. He's stationed at some backwater post with no action, I don't see him being highly motivated or giving a shit. As long as the ship more or less checks out, it's easier to let it go than to do something about it.
Yes, good point. There are some TOS characters who wear red and nevertheless are skilled academicians (historians or anthropologists, usually), so we can't be sure Uhura would lack such credentials. But certainly none of her work in TOS or the movies belies linguistics skills.
Sure, they might be a good backup - but with the UT in existence and working so well, backup skills might not be required of Starfleet comm officers. If the UT failed, Uhura would be expected to repair it, not replace it!
Timo Saloniemi
A beaker full of death said:
qarSuv said:
One other thing with Uhura's language scene: given the reversed topic of Klingon (Object - Verb - Subject) it's REALLY easy for one not used to it to switch parts of speech like she did
Oh my FUCKING God.
Klingon Language did not come out until the Motion Picture. What was up with that... why wasn't the language used in the TOS series. No doubt it had been invented. then we could see that uhura was educated as a communications officer. Instead Klingons had perfect english... And everyone knows there is no such thing as an EDUCATED klingon... exceopt maybe the ambasssador...
No, not even Vulcan.
There was a reference to "Klingonese" in "The Trouble With Tribbles" by Koloth's second-in-command. That's about it.
And BTW, the Klingon language as heard in TMP was originally developed by James Doohan, IIRC. Okrand didn't pick it up and expand upon it until Star Trek III.
And BTW, the Klingon language as heard in TMP was originally developed by James Doohan, IIRC. Okrand didn't pick it up and expand upon it until Star Trek III.
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cultcross said:
I'm not quite sure what your point was...
The Klingon language was invented for TMP by Okrand. To my immediate recollection the only alien language we heard anything significant of in TOS was Vulcan.
IIRC, the Klingon we heard in TMP was made up by Jimmy Doohan. It was only made into a full-blown language for TSFS.
I wonder whether Marc Okrand was actually commissioned to expand the Klingon language. Somehow I can't imagine someone like Harve Bennett appreciating the value of making a fictional language internally consistent.
I don't look too far into the movie, but by his time, yes, I think McCoy should have known at a little bit about it.
On a related note, in an episode of TNG Geordi once said something (I forget the quote) that was like a racist comment.
On a related note, in an episode of TNG Geordi once said something (I forget the quote) that was like a racist comment.
Actually, T'Pau and T'Pring did use a few Vulcan phrases in Amok Time; but we actually 'heard a true Vulcan converstation in ST:TMP as well (even though it was just mumbled english because the scene was filmed with the actors speaking english originally. The sub-titles in the final edited scene were slightly ere-agrranged in an attempt to make the whole thing less obvious to the movie goer).
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