No Spock rage mode in Beyond

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They didn't really develop Spock's love triange between Uhura and Kirk all that much, either.

What love triangle?

Kirk may have used a cheesy pickup line on Uhura once, in a bar, but there was never any kind of relationship. Uhura was never interested in him, not in the slightest.

And once Kirk got the ever-lovin' shit beat out of him by Cupcake and his gang, I think he got the hint.

 

[johnjm22]

Or, perhaps they wanted to explore different facets of the character? If they make changes, they are lazy. If they had everyone act exactly the same, people would've cried they are lazy.

They decided how they wanted to handle the Spock character and have been consistent with it. Not sure what else anyone can ask for?

Exploring different facets of the character is one thing, changing the character is another.

 

[BillJ]

Exploring different facets of the character is one thing, changing the character is another.

He's recognizable as Spock to me.

 

[johnjm22]

I disagree. First, Spock was never an "emotionless" character.

I never said he was. I said mostly.

They made Spock emotional to dumb down the product. They think the audience won't like a stoic character. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bones/Kirk/Spock dynamic.

 

[johnjm22]

He's recognizable as Spock to me.

How would you feel if the made Bones stoic and logical? And he was also talking about science and rationality.

 

[BillJ]

How would you feel if the made Bones stoic and logical? And he was also talking about science and rationality.

Being logical is a huge piece of being a scientist. And Bones has had his stoic moments. It is problematic comparing 80 TV episodes that run 51 minutes each with three, two hour feature films. The series has more room to bounce back and forth compared to feature films.

 

[Franklin]

Exploring different facets of the character is one thing, changing the character is another.

Well, we don't really have three seasons of TV shows and six movies in which to explore Spock in this case. Just remember, Spock thought it was the "human" thing to do to go after Chekov in TVH, and Spock's last advice on screen in TUC was to suggest that Kirk tell Starfleet to go to hell. Further, Kirk believed he was the most human soul he had ever met. He probably knew him best. Are we going to argue with Kirk?

I think both Spock's see the virtue of not letting emotion get in the way of logic. Spock Prime learned over time that emotion in-and-of-itself was not always the problem. They don't get in the way of everything. In fact, avoiding them totally may actually hinder some things -- like the full enjoyment of life. He didn't tell Spock to eschew logic, but he did advise him that he shouldn't eschew his emotional half, either. Something it took him longer to realize that it took this Spock.

Think of it this way:
-- Spock Prime was never emotionless (no Vulcan is), just stoic to the point of being emotionally repressed. He realized over time repression of emotion itself may not always be logical.
-- Spock is not emotionless, either, He's more on the reserved-leaning-to-stoic side. His emotions are not completely repressed. He's farther along on that journey than Spock Prime was at this point.

As far as "Spock rage" goes, bear in mind that in ST09, that scene on the bridge was more or less an homage to when Kirk did that to Spock in TOS. Both Kirk's know very well what's really inside both Spock's.

 

[johnjm22]

Well, we don't really have three seasons of TV shows and six movies in which to explore Spock in this case. Just remember, Spock thought it was the "human" thing to do to go after Chekov in TVH, and Spock's last advice on screen in TUC was to suggest that Kirk tell Starfleet to go to hell. Further, Kirk believed he was the most human soul he had ever met. He probably knew him best. Are we going to argue with Kirk?

All that stuff is great and it's completely different than crying, screaming, laughing, punching people in the face, and making out with your girl girlfriend on the bridge.

 

[Franklin]

All that stuff is great and it's completely different than crying, screaming, laughing, punching people in the face, and making out with your girl girlfriend on the bridge.

That all seems a bit exaggerated, especially the "making out" part. But whatever. I agree this Spock is different, but on a normally distributed spectrum of possible Spock behaviors, I'd say he's certainly not an outlier. Indeed, I'd say he's within one standard deviation of the mean Spock behavior. I still see a Vulcan. More importantly, I still see Spock. You seem to believe he's an outlier. Eh. OK.

 

[The Wormhole]

Quinto Spock's emotionalism is definitely taken too far. It's one thing to portray a different facet of the character, and indeed his behaviour is consistent with Nimoy's portrayal in TOS. But, they definitely overdid it in STID when Spock is the only male character who cried over Kirk's death. More to the point, why is Spock crying over the death of someone he's know for only a year and has so far had an antagonistic relationship with and is only trying to be friends with at the behest of his older self's suggestion? Compare to when Spock dies in TWOK, Kirk does not cry despite watching the death of someone he has known for close to twenty years and has developed a close friendship with.

Also, it is kind of disappointing that the only thing any writer of any Trek can think of doing with Vulcans is having show their emotions.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

They didn't really develop Spock's love triange between Uhura and Kirk all that much, either.

Why did they need to? Prime Kirk didn't get with her; they were friends. Spock Prime didn't, though they flirted a bit. This Kirk flirted with her and it didn't work. So what triangle?

 

[Awesome Possum]

Why would anyone think Spock Prime didn't have emotions? It was a running gag on TOS that Spock would slip up, then Kirk and McCoy would share a knowing smirk as he quickly tried to act like nothing happened.

Vulcans have emotions and they seem to be more intense that human emotions given how Romulans react to anything. They control them as a cultural/religious thing.

 

[johnjm22]

Why would anyone think Spock Prime didn't have emotions?

I don't think anyone said that.

 

[Trekfan12]

I don't really have an issue with it. It's not as if Nimoy's Spock never had a one-off emotion now & then. Vulcan emotions are actually stronger, & if 1 slips out, I expect it to be jarring. I understand the opinion that adheres to the original notion of Spock's emotionlessness being present as a foil for humanity's emotions, & it was cool that they explored that, but maybe they don't feel the need to do so in this incarnation. If they want to work 1 emotion in per film, I'm OK with that. I might even be interested to see if they could pull off a TOS styled burst of uncontrollable crying. lol

I never did understand why people say Vulcans are emotionless. There is a difference between having no emotion and controlling your emotions. Vulcans do have them, but because of their violent past and having almost destroyed themselves they chose a philosophy of logic and emotional control. (As per Surak's teachings) Spock showed emotion on occasion in TOS. Especially where Jim Kirk's welfare was concerned. I think the older he got and the more life experiences Spock had he realized that it was okay for him to embrace his human half and to adopt some human attributes like intuition. And while Vulcans don't lie, Spock did learn to exaggerate when the need arose.

 

[T'Bonz]

Kelvin Spock is a tad too emo for my liking.

 

[ricardocube]

This spock was closer to the original. Keep it up.

 

[Cyke101]

What love triangle?

Kirk may have used a cheesy pickup line on Uhura once, in a bar, but there was never any kind of relationship. Uhura was never interested in him, not in the slightest.

And once Kirk got the ever-lovin' shit beat out of him by Cupcake and his gang, I think he got the hint.

It's been seven years since that movie and I can't believe that there are folks that still believe that there was some sort of triangle. It's as if we're watching a different movie -- not once had Uhura ever reciprocated or flirted back, and she's shown more emotion for Spock in 10 seconds than she ever had across all 3 movies for Kirk. It's clearly not a triangle, it's Kirk looking in from the outside.

 

[Dales]

It's been seven years since that movie and I can't believe that there are folks that still believe that there was some sort of triangle. It's as if we're watching a different movie -- not once had Uhura ever reciprocated or flirted back, and she's shown more emotion for Spock in 10 seconds than she ever had across all 3 movies for Kirk. It's clearly not a triangle, it's Kirk looking in from the outside.

true, its not also a love triangle because kirk just wanted to get into her pants. he was not in love with her, he was sexually attracted to her. the same way with galia.

that been said uhura does care for kirk, we see it in STID and Beyond.

 

[Cyke101]

true, its not also a love triangle because kirk just wanted to get into her pants. he was not in love with her, he was sexually attracted to her. the same way with galia.

that been said uhura does care for kirk, we see it in STID and Beyond.

She cares for Captain Kirk, not Potential Romantic Interest Kirk. The former is professional and expected of a Starfleet crew member. The latter is something projected by Trekkies that want to keep complaining.

I care for my boss's good performance and well being, that doesn't mean my boss ever came close to my significant other's emotional level, or even on a friendship level.