No Spock rage mode in Beyond

[Dales]

It was kind of refreshing. Beyond has the most TOSish Spock

In ST09 Spock goes into rage mode and nearly kills kirk

In STID, he goes into rage mode and nearly kills Khan

Beyond , he is just mostly Spock and so far beyond has had the best balance of his vulcan/human side.

So I have to give a thumps up to Lin and Pegg for not making Spock go into another rage mode again. now they need to stop blowing up the Enterprise.

 

[urbandefault]

As with all the characters, they're growing into the ones we've known for 50 years.

Not to toot my own horn, but I predicted as much several years ago.

 

[Khan 2.0]

berserker spock will be back in ST4 unleashing Vulcan fury on nero before he can destroy Vulcan

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Ambassador Spock had an influence on him.

 

[Cyrus]

I am still waiting for Spock to shout "THE WOMEN!". btw, whatever happened to the Spock shouting thread?

 

[fireproof78]

It was kind of refreshing. Beyond has the most TOSish Spock

In ST09 Spock goes into rage mode and nearly kills kirk

In STID, he goes into rage mode and nearly kills Khan

Beyond , he is just mostly Spock and so far beyond has had the best balance of his vulcan/human side.

So I have to give a thumps up to Lin and Pegg for not making Spock go into another rage mode again. now they need to stop blowing up the Enterprise.

Kirk

Khan

Krall

Darn it-Spock broke his "beating up guys with K names" streak.

Also, I see it as a maturing process.

 

[Desert Kris]

They didn't really develop Spock's love triange between Uhura and Kirk all that much, either.

 

[The Wormhole]

I am still waiting for Spock to shout "THE WOMEN!". btw, whatever happened to the Spock shouting thread?

It had red matter poured over it along with the Captain Robau thread and the Blue Nacelle thread.

 

[Mojochi]

No, they opted for some good old fashioned Spock giggly delirium. I approve. lol

 

[johnjm22]

I still don't like the fact that he's the most emotional crew member.

 

[Smellmet]

I still don't like the fact that he's the most emotional crew member.

I don't think he was in Beyond. It was just one laugh whilst he was seriously injured wasn't it?

 

[Ovation]

I still don't like the fact that he's the most emotional crew member.

I get that people don't like the more emotional portrayal of Quinto, but it's not some inexplicable, impossible error (not saying you consider it such, but it's an oft repeated lament). Quinto's Spock has suffered massive emotional traumas Nimoy's Spock never did. Moreover, Nimoy's Spock essentially advised him to avoid the path of denial of emotion he'd followed in his youth and, basically, told him to skip to the part after V'ger (so TOS movies Spock). Combine the two (massive trauma in formative years, advice from a future self to take a somewhat different path) and you get what Quinto's Spock has shown us.

I like what Quinto does, as it helps solidify the (in-universe) fact of an alternate path into the future for his character (and, similarly, the others--they all have differences from the originals). While I find Urban's McCoy entertaining, I am a bit disappointed at how closely he hews to Kelley's version. Mimicry is not (nor should it be) the goal.

Lastly, Spock's "emotional outbursts" do not occur in ordinary circumstances in any of the films, so I don't see him as an over the top emotionally expressive character. He's not like Sybok, for example (who smiled at the drop of a hat and was exuberant in his interactions with others).

 

[johnjm22]

I get that people don't like the more emotional portrayal of Quinto, but it's not some inexplicable, impossible error (not saying you consider it such, but it's an oft repeated lament). Quinto's Spock has suffered massive emotional traumas Nimoy's Spock never did. Moreover, Nimoy's Spock essentially advised him to avoid the path of denial of emotion he'd followed in his youth and, basically, told him to skip to the part after V'ger (so TOS movies Spock). Combine the two (massive trauma in formative years, advice from a future self to take a somewhat different path) and you get what Quinto's Spock has shown us.

I like what Quinto does, as it helps solidify the (in-universe) fact of an alternate path into the future for his character (and, similarly, the others--they all have differences from the originals). While I find Urban's McCoy entertaining, I am a bit disappointed at how closely he hews to Kelley's version. Mimicry is not (nor should it be) the goal.

Lastly, Spock's "emotional outbursts" do not occur in ordinary circumstances in any of the films, so I don't see him as an over the top emotionally expressive character. He's not like Sybok, for example (who smiled at the drop of a hat and was exuberant in his interactions with others).

Making him emotional defeats the purpose of his character. Having a mostly emotionless, logical character, juxtaposed up against humans, sets up a dynamic where the emotional illogical side of humans can be explored.

The reason elder Spock "essentially advised him to avoid the path of denial of emotion" is because the writers are lazy and think it's too hard to write for an emotionless character.

 

[stardream]

I see him being on a character arc similar to that of Kirk. We see Kirk going from punk to willing to sacrifice himself for his crew and finally into to a more seasoned commander. Spock is also growing, becoming closer (not identical) to the more Vulcan like Spock we saw in TOS.

 

[Mojochi]

I don't really have an issue with it. It's not as if Nimoy's Spock never had a one-off emotion now & then. Vulcan emotions are actually stronger, & if 1 slips out, I expect it to be jarring. I understand the opinion that adheres to the original notion of Spock's emotionlessness being present as a foil for humanity's emotions, & it was cool that they explored that, but maybe they don't feel the need to do so in this incarnation. If they want to work 1 emotion in per film, I'm OK with that. I might even be interested to see if they could pull off a TOS styled burst of uncontrollable crying. lol

 

[Ovation]

Making him emotional defeats the purpose of his character. Having a mostly emotionless, logical character, juxtaposed up against humans, sets up a dynamic where the emotional illogical side of humans can be explored.

The reason elder Spock "essentially advised him to avoid the path of denial of emotion" is because the writers are lazy and think it's too hard to write for an emotionless character.

I disagree. First, Spock was never an "emotionless" character. He (at times) aspired to be, but he never attained that state. The closest he ever came was in TMP prior to his meld with V'ger. And a little of that version goes a LONG way.

Second, it's not that Spock (Nimoy) told Spock (Quinto) to just "let loose" with no regard to his Vulcan heritage. Rather, having spent a significant portion of his youth seeking to be the "perfect Vulcan" and ultimately concluding (in TMP) it was a futile effort, he offered his younger, alternate self a more balanced path to follow regarding his mixed heritage.

At no point in any of the films does Spock behave in a purely human fashion. He does, however, come to an earlier balance between his "two worlds" than the original--and that comes almost entirely out of circumstances not experienced by the original. Which, like it or not (applies to all viewers), is kinda the main point of the alternate universe version (regardless of how successfully executed such differences might appear).

Again, I certainly understand why some people are disappointed with the direction the new Spock is given. But disappointment is not sufficient to invalidate the legitimacy of the attempt. I like both versions of the character, precisely because they are different. It's why I find Urban's portrayal of McCoy, relatively speaking, less compelling than any of the others--he seems to think he's the original actor's understudy. That's less interesting to me, if still enjoyable.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

As other have pointed out, it is a misconception that Vulcans do not have emotions. They do. They just actively work to suppress them as a matter of self-imposed psychosocial discipline, and because they repress them in this way most of the time, when they do slip out it can be quite explosive. Being half human, Spock has perhaps always struggled with this even moreso because of his conflicted identity. He has to try harder at it, perhaps out of necessity thanks to his human side, perhaps out of a desire to "prove" himself to be a "worthy" Vulcan in response to what he perceives as his father's disappointment in him and the taunting he received from peers as a child, perhaps both.

And again, as has been mentioned, Spock has an epiphany in TMP after melding with V'Ger that feeling emotion is part of what gives existence meaning, and becomes more accepting of his. Of course, he gets set back a bit after dying and being resurrected, and has to regain that ground all over again. He does, as evidenced by telling his brother he has "found [him]self and [his] place" in STV, advising Valeris that "logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end" in STVI, and imparting much the same to his younger alternate self at the conclusion of the first Abrams film.

It's also worth noting that in the earliest-set stories of TOS, such as "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before," there are moments when Spock's emotionality seems to show through a bit more readily than later on as Nimoy and the writers refined the character. So the idea that he was more emotional when he was younger is consistent.

However, I agree that the character wouldn't be served well by having him completely lose his shit at least once in every single story as if such were obligatory, so I am glad that this was toned down in Beyond. It did make sense given the situations in '09 and Into Darkness, but can still easily be overdone if care is not taken to avoid that happening too often. The more subtle expressions in the new film made just as much sense, and were a nice change.

 

[Jedi_Master]

He got to laugh and cry in this one. I liked that better.

 

[BillJ]

The reason elder Spock "essentially advised him to avoid the path of denial of emotion" is because the writers are lazy and think it's too hard to write for an emotionless character.

Or, perhaps they wanted to explore different facets of the character? If they make changes, they are lazy. If they had everyone act exactly the same, people would've cried they are lazy.

They decided how they wanted to handle the Spock character and have been consistent with it. Not sure what else anyone can ask for?

 

[Cyke101]

Not to toot my own horn, but I predicted as much several years ago.

*grumbles* That's just typical...