I wonder if Chibnall realizes this is his future... to become hated....
No series 12 till 2020?
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I wonder if Chibnall realizes this is his future... to become hated....
I think it was because Chibnall wasn’t ready to take over yet (he was still busy with Broadchurch (I think)). Moffatt was going to go at the end of series nine, but was convinced to do another series while Chibnall got ready.
The 2016 hiatus happened because Moffat was ready to bow out after The Husbands of River Song, but Chibnall couldn't realistically deliver his own Doctor Who series until 2018. So that would've been two whole years without any episodes (because, apparently, the BBC still wanted a full Series 10, not just sporadic specials).
I don't hate either RTD or Moffat. They both brought a lot to the series. I think both stayed a bit too long. Probably Moffat more so than RTD. But, both made huge contributions that I'm thankful for.
RTD's era hasn't aged well, particularly Series 1, which is grounded in pop culture circa 2004-2005.
The Series 7 split mainly had to do with the London Olympics wreaking havoc with the BBC's schedule in the summer; they knew they weren't going to be able to show a full 13-episode season, even one split.
The 2013 production gap year (only two episodes were made -- "The Day of the Doctor" and "The Time of the Doctor" -- was due to Moffat working around Matt Smith's decision to leave. The BBC's intention, and I was told this first-hand from someone at the BBC, was for Series 7B and Series 8 to be shown back-to-back as essentially a 21-ish-episode run, followed by the anniversary special. In some alternate universe, there's a Series 8 in 2013 with a different Doctor and he's the star of the anniversary special because Moffat decided to regenerate Smith at the end of Series 7.
The 2016 production gap year has already been covered; Moffat intended to leave, the BBC couldn't line anyone up to produce one series as they'd already decided on Chibnall as Moffat's successor, but Chibnall wasn't going to be available until after Broadchurch and they eventually persuaded Moffat to come back for a single season.
Oh, I don’t either. I think RTD did a marvelous job. Moffat was good for the most part, but I did grow a little bored of his “twists.”
I also think it’s weird to hate a tv producer. Dislike the work, sure, but hate? The internet can be a terrible place.
I don't hate the RTD era, but I do dislike how the 10th Doctor shifted fans' perceptions of what the Doctor "should" be like - a young handsome dashing hero who kisses all the pretty girls - so that when you have a Doctor who's closer to what he was in the classic series (emotionally distant, "alien") then it's "bad writing" and "audience-hostile".
I remember rewatching the series with a friend during the run-up to the 50th Anniversary. It was the first time she had watched it, and the first time I had seen some of the episodes since they aired. I....was shocked at how cheesy RTD's era was. Even episodes I remembered fondly made me cringe. Not just the infamous ones everyone hates. Stylistically I think I will always prefer Moffat's era, even though he too made plenty of missteps. Chibnall is only 3 episodes in, but he's 1 for 3 so far IMO.
The show was JUST rebooted. That's why the ratings have been high. People are curious. It's not that it's suddenly "better" than it was...it's just "all new." New everything, including Doctor, tone, and style. The real tale will be if the ratings remain consistently high.
But if they take a long break, one of two things could happen. Either they kill whatever momentum they've gained, or they make each season an "event" that people anticipate, wait for, etc. It's a gamble.
The show was JUST rebooted. That's why the ratings have been high. People are curious. It's not that it's suddenly "better" than it was...it's just "all new." New everything, including Doctor, tone, and style. The real tale will be if the ratings remain consistently high.
But if they take a long break, one of two things could happen. Either they kill whatever momentum they've gained, or they make each season an "event" that people anticipate, wait for, etc. It's a gamble.
Both deserve praise for making the show fun because they both made episodes that were leagues better than a lot of the classic series. Much like Star Trek, there's a few fabulous episodes from any period with the rest being mediocre or plain painful to watch. RTD couldn't let go of Rose or the mordant 'Last of the Timelords nonsense. I might have been able to take that seriously if the Daleks didn't keep showing up like cockroaches. Moffat needed to get off the Bill and Ted time travel zaniness and making the companions all some kind of super character, especially River.
The current Doctor is great I just wish Jodie would tone down the posturing with the screwdriver but if that's the worst to come from her she'll be doing fantastically. I like the more done in one feel of these episodes. The universe is going to blow up shortly because of X ran its course for me a long time back in RTD's era. I would second someone from another thread who said it was a shame Capaldi didn't get a series like this.
Only 3 episodes in and it feels like Chibnall sucked out all the fun that was in both the RTD and Moffat eras and is trying to play it serious like it's Broadchurch or something. 
Also, I see many people praise 13 for "finally" being "human again", as if the Doctor isn't a 2,000-year-old alien - what do people want??
Also, I see many people praise 13 for "finally" being "human again", as if the Doctor isn't a 2,000-year-old alien - what do people want??
I saw two articles, one saying the show was "better than it has been in years" and the other saying "Doctor Who is finally a woman, and she's already the best Doctor ever!"
I rolled my eyes so hard. It's been 3 episodes. Three. None have been that good in my opinion, but at least it's something new. I never saw Broadchurch so I had no idea what to expect. I'll judge it at the end of the season. I'm missing Moffat's flavor a bit....but I'm sure I'll adjust in time.
I don't want them to wait until 2020 for the next one, though. I've had it with shows' production delays. The Man in the High Castle, Stranger Things, Game of Thrones, The Crown....I no longer want to wait more than a year for what little I watch on TV.
I rolled my eyes so hard. It's been 3 episodes. Three. None have been that good in my opinion, but at least it's something new. I never saw Broadchurch so I had no idea what to expect. I'll judge it at the end of the season. I'm missing Moffat's flavor a bit....but I'm sure I'll adjust in time.
I don't want them to wait until 2020 for the next one, though. I've had it with shows' production delays. The Man in the High Castle, Stranger Things, Game of Thrones, The Crown....I no longer want to wait more than a year for what little I watch on TV.
I definitely agree its too early to tell. Early indications showcase a more pensive, slower pace and a more emphasis on character and drama rather than action and even concepts, the latter of which was a big take-off from Moffat. But we don't know if the rest of the season will play out the action and comedy, as well.
And I just can't imagine how anyone at the BBC thinks its even a halfway decent idea to postpone the next series until 2020. Its crazy and its nonsensical, but its also the BBC.
And I just can't imagine how anyone at the BBC thinks its even a halfway decent idea to postpone the next series until 2020. Its crazy and its nonsensical, but its also the BBC.
a Post upthread used the phrase "Everything is Fine" and I starting thinking about The Good Place. Then you posted this and all I can say is thank you.
I prefer Moff to RTD. But neither got close to something like Fenric or Ghost Light. Moff was the closest. For pure science fiction stuff you have to go back to Bidmead. Classic Who gets an unfair rep. Especially if you look at the pure writing. I have never seen anything so full of theme and idea as Ghost Light, and it’s so dense with detail.
Well, it's now been confirmed as official: the only new Who in 2019 will be the New Year's Special. Of course, assuming the next series starts around the beginning of 2020, that's only a few months longer to wait than we would have had anyway with an autumn start. But I see people all over the internet are queueing up to lynch Chibnall already, facts be damned.
His predecessor worked on an extra year in the job, after burning out, so Who wouldn’t be off air waiting for Chibnall to start. He then went further and also knocked out a Christmas special, because Chibnall and co didn’t want to start on one. Then Chibnall has no Christmas special, and a lengthy wait between series. (Who won’t start in January, TV seasons rarely work that way.) It does not reflect well on the new team at all. That’s not calling for Chibnall to be strung up. It is, however, thinking it’s not looking good.
When you say there's "no Christmas special" are you talking about the special that isn't airing on Christmas day but New Year's Day?
Yes. That would be a New Years special. Which is not, by definition, a Christmas special.
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