No. More. Daleks.

[DWF]

Yes it is, no they don't, no it isn't, everyone loves a bit of violence, and if the relatively low Doctor involvement bothers you then I suppose you disliked Blink as well. Revelation is a brilliant story, as intricate as Androzani (if not Kinda). It's quite a brilliant piece, populated with many engaging yet grostesque characters, and it's easily the best use of Davros. A mad twisted man getting people to eat their own families and laughing like a loon. Revelation's a classic.

Yeah everbody LOVES violence I guess that includes Mary Whitehouse. In any event it's more like a French slasher horror movie than a Dr. Who story. We never see hands get blasted off or multiple stabbing on the show really ever since they introduced Davros the Dalek stories were more about him than the Daleks themselves and there was still no explaination for how he survived Resurrection.

IMO Blink is overrated and Eric Saward really only wrote one really good Dr. Who story and that was The Visitation, it's more than alittle difficult to defend either of his Dalek stories or Timelash for that matter. Some people liked some people didn't. But it's not a great story in my mind.

The Visitation over Revelation? Really?

See, much as I like the weirdo tone of Revelation and the general grimness and violence that Saward brought to the show (gawd only knows that as soon as he went we got the anodyne and pretty subpar season 24), it's the quality of the story that I really love, as well as the production. It's a fantastic piece of writing, combined with terrific direction. Caves is much the same, and pretty grim and violent to boot; d'you hate that too?

As for it being more about Davros than the Daleks, it doesn't pretend to be anything else. If it's a lack of tinpot action you don't like, then did you only watch one story every 4 years? Besides, one of the feckers even blows up.

I watched the original series in syndication not as it originally came out. And I liked Caves over Revelations it was dark yes but not like Relevations nor was it as bloody. But then Robert Holmes was a MUCH better writer than Eric Saward. I really like Earthshock it's one of my favorites and The Visitation was a very good story. But then in Saward's eyes Revelation was a comedy.

http://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/category/eric-saward/

Q: There were no reasons given?

A: Other than it was thought the show needed resting, re-thinking. We were told we were going back to 25 minutes, which was Michael Grade’s decision, and that more comedy was wanted. I must admit that I didn’t understand Grade’s not about comedy, last season we had three very comic stories (‘Vengeance on Varos’, ‘Two Doctors’, ‘Revelation of the Daleks”). It was a pity that two out of the three stories were poorly directed.

 

[Bones2]

He said it was comic, not a comedy. Big old difference. So, a bit of dark is alright, but not too much and not too much blood? Like I say, ultimately I'm after good and involving stories, and Revelation ticks that box. But I'm quite fond of the Saward era on the whole, at least once he had proper control (about season 21).

 

[DWF]

He said it was comic, not a comedy. Big old difference. So, a bit of dark is alright, but not too much and not too much blood? Like I say, ultimately I'm after good and involving stories, and Revelation ticks that box. But I'm quite fond of the Saward era on the whole, at least once he had proper control (about season 21).

Well there was no stabbing, maiming or blood in Caves and yet it's considered of the best Dr. Who stories of all time, I can't really say the same for Revelation. And there's no real explaination for the title itself, there was no Revelation.

 

[Bones2]

Punnage, innit. Like Genesis is the first book of the Bible, right? Revelation is the last.

Caves has plenty of nasty. A deformed man who wants to put one up Peri all the time, the Doctor and Peri dying throughout, getting shot by firing squad, some robots starting to pull the Doctor's arms out, the President gets shoved down a lift shaft, Morgus dies by head in the machine, Stott guns down all his men while laughing, Chellak gets killed by mudburst, everyone dies...it's probably more violent and nasty even than Revelation. As for Revelation, it's got a pretty good reputation on the whole, though I don't really care about what other people think; I'm into discussing my own views and those of the person or people I'm discussing with, not with a list of stories on a poll. After all, The Five Doctors once won a best story ever poll and that's certainly no Caves.

 

[Sci]

What's wrong with The Rani having survived the Time War?

Everything.

Not only is it Another Goddamn Time Lord, but it's Another Goddamn Time Lord who is lame.

 

[Sindatur]

What's wrong with The Rani having survived the Time War?

Everything.

Not only is it Another Goddamn Time Lord, but it's Another Goddamn Time Lord who is lame.

Again, yea, the writing sucked pretty bad on the previous Rani Airings, but, the Core character description, could be used so much better.

There's no reason to believe the Rani set a foot in Gallifrey's Galaxy during the Time War Appocalypse. The end didn't reach out in Time and Grab all Gallifreyans, it eliminated those in it's local sphere of influence. We've seen numerous Gallifreyans running loose through the Whoniverse, there could be a dozen surviving Time Lords we could list, to say nothing of the ones we never met.

 

[Sci]

What's wrong with The Rani having survived the Time War?

Everything.

Not only is it Another Goddamn Time Lord, but it's Another Goddamn Time Lord who is lame.

Again, yea, the writing sucked pretty bad on the previous Rani Airings, but, the Core character description, could be used so much better.

No, it really couldn't. The basic concept of the Rani is just a female version of the Master. It's repetitive and it's boring and it's lame.

The end didn't reach out in Time and Grab all Gallifreyans, it eliminated those in it's local sphere of influence. We've seen numerous Gallifreyans running loose through the Whoniverse,

We've seen three post-Time War Time Lords: The Doctor, the Master, and Jenny. We shouldn't see any more. Ever.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I hate to do this, but I agree with Sci.

You would have to change the core character of the Rani to make her something other than the female Master.

I'd like to see another timelord, especially an evil one, but how could the Rani be done to make the character new & interesting instead of a retread? What's her motivation?

 

[captcalhoun]

she's a loony evil scientist. he's just loony and evil. get her doing loony evil science stuff.

 

[DWF]

We've seen three post-Time War Time Lords: The Doctor, the Master, and Jenny. We shouldn't see any more. Ever.

Jenny isn't a Time Lord she might be part Gallifreyian but she's no Time Lord and she wouldn't exist at if not for the Doctor.

 

[Starkers]

We've seen three post-Time War Time Lords: The Doctor, the Master, and Jenny. We shouldn't see any more. Ever.

I think sooner or later you're going to be very dissapointed...

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ As of this upcoming series if some of the rumors are true.

 

[Sindatur]

The Rani isn't a female version of the Master, she's got entirely different motivations. She's a Scientist with no ethical boundaries, she does what she does for the Advancement of her personal knowledge and Science. The Master is Chaos for Chaos' sake and always looking for a way to continue his life (and classic Series out to kill the Doctor). The Valleyard is far closer to a retread of the Master than the Rani is.

We saw at least two Time Lords away from Gallifrey in The War Games (Yes, captured and dead, but the point is, that's more who left Gallifrey), then there was the Monk (I believe) and several Friends the Doctor has run into throughout the Classic Series. Those can't be all the Time Lords who left Gallifrey, the universe is a really big place, especially considering Time as well as space. I'm not neccessarily spearheading a campaign for the Rani to return, just saying there is nothing out of place in having more Time Lords show up. The thing out of Place was the whole "Last of the Timelords" thing, it's impossible to believe they all were destroyed on Gallifrey, when so many have been shown to be running loose through the Universe.

 

[Bacl]

I'd be happy to see The Rani again.

Maybe, considering the nature of her title, she can even be played by an Indian actress.

I like the idea of a few Timelords bouncing about, representing both foils for The Doctor and also versions of himself. The Master is Moriarty to his Holmes, if The Monk (Or The Meddler, whatever) ever popped up again he could represent what the Doctor might have been like if he didn't care about the damage he caused, so long as he had fun.

If written correctly, the Rani could be a kind of Poison Ivy to the Doctor's Batman. If that makes any sense at all.

As for the original subject of Daleks? If I never see them again, then it will be too soon. Quite a terrible drop considering "Dalek" was one of the most amazing episodes, and I actually thought "Parting of the Ways" was a fantastic send off and battle royale. Comparing "Parting of the Ways" to "End of Time 2" I can't believe they were written by the same man. RTD must have had a couple strokes or lobotomies over the years. Or just lost himself up his own ego.

 

[Sci]

^ As of this upcoming series if some of the rumors are true.

Dude, I've been avoiding the rumors. Kindly stop talking about them.

 

[Phily B]

I love the Daleks and Dalek episodes. So do millions of people, so they're not going anywhere. RTD left it up to Moffat if he wanted to bring them back, and he did. Twice.