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Nintendo NX / Switch Discussion

As much as I do go to bat for Nintendo, I completely tuned the "ice cube" portion of the presentation out. Mostly because I had another tab open and was doing other things while the presentation was going.

Seemed like that's what Nintendo did too.
 
OK here's an interesting video about the Switch from the Cynical Brit.

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At least one report so far indicates the Dock doesn't seem to give anything extra to the system:
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It doesn't, and that's not the point, anyway. The dock doesn't give anything to the system, but in docked mode the console runs at full power. When in portable mode, it runs at lower power to save battery life.

OK here's an interesting video about the Switch from the Cynical Brit.

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Please, don't link to that guy. Here's why.
 
Fire Emblem Warriors coming Fall 2017 (also coming to the New 3DS). Also, a new mainline Fire Emblem game (no title or any other details) on the Switch planned for 2018.

The other bits of the Fire Emblem Direct weren't Switch related, but I'll cover them here at the risk of inciting more "LOL NO GAMES" posts.
Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia coming to the 3DS on May 19. It's a reimagining of Fire Emblem Gaiden from 1992 and was never released outside of Japan.
Fire Emblem Heroes is the mobile game that was previously announced. It hits Android devices first on February 2nd and iOS later.

Edit: Apparently they're now saying that FE Heroes will arrive on iOS on the same day. The video said "soon" for iOS, but maybe they didn't have confirmation on that when they prepared the video.
 
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I wouldn't call most of the NES and SNES library "scummy." And it really depends what games they are. It could potentially be a good thing.
 
I wouldn't call most of the NES and SNES library "scummy." And it really depends what games they are. It could potentially be a good thing.

Oh? I'd like to know how you can spin being forced to pay for online play and getting a 30 year old game rental is a good thing?

Also Zelda, that was supposed to come out 3 years ago, a port, Mario and Fire Emblem in 1-1.5 years isn't anything to write home about. More so when some of these games will probably end up getting delayed.
 
I wouldn't call most of the NES and SNES library "scummy." And it really depends what games they are. It could potentially be a good thing.

The games are not scummy but being "given" one as a rental is scummy. Seriously when every other console comes with an in box game or two they give you a rental.
 
Nintendo has weird policies for their old games. They seem to want to release as few VC games as possible while overpricing what they can (as historic as it is, does the original Super Mario Bros, or games like Balloon Fight, really justify a $5-ish price tag nowadays?). So, the fact that they can't bring themselves to even give away a NES or SNES game fits with their weird attitude. Maybe if they didn't release VC games at a glacial pace they could afford to give away games while still having a big library to sell.
 
The games are not scummy but being "given" one as a rental is scummy. Seriously when every other console comes with an in box game or two they give you a rental.

lolwut

You're conflating completely different things.

The "rental," in this case, fills the same niche as PS Plus (for Sony systems), or Xbox Live (for Microsoft systems). And yes, what Nintendo is offering is a laughably bad deal. Both PS Plus and Xbox Live give you free (not to mention discounted) games each month--games you get to keep for as long as you re-up your subscription. And these are generally games that came out in the past few years.

To compete with that, Nintendo is going to offer free games that you only get to have temporarily, and which will apparently be 20 or more years old. Oh, and they are promising discounts, I guess, but given Nintendo's history, don't expect them to be very impressive.

It's a complete joke, and yet again looks like something designed by the accounting department to squeeze money out of people who don't know a shitty value proposition when they see one.
 
It's a complete joke, and yet again looks like something designed by the accounting department to squeeze money out of people who don't know a shitty value proposition when they see one.

If the people knew a shitty value when they saw one then no one would buy a Switch.

*Zing*
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I think it doesn't bother me cause I can't think of an NES/SNES game that the could offer me that I don't already have. And if I don't already have it it's probably something I didn't care to play in the first place.
 
I think it doesn't bother me cause I can't think of an NES/SNES game that the could offer me that I don't already have. And if I don't already have it it's probably something I didn't care to play in the first place.

Kind of a waste of your monthly fee then, isn't it?
 
I'm not counting Nintendo out just yet. Although, you have to admit, this looks pretty bad for them, in a time when they needed to make a really good first-impression. I have to imagine they're scrambling around like Sony and MS have in the past to find a good compromise and overall better deal for buyers. I can see it from their point of view, I guess. It's psychological; make it a high price point and at first glance, they're swimming with the big leagues again. That is, until you see the releases. I remember a time when there'd be a wider variety of launch titles to choose from to cover a wide spectrum of tastes. As good as Zelda is, and I know this is going to sound blasphemous, but not everyone is into Zelda.

But this is still the start of the new year. I doubt these are the only games that will be released for it this year. At least I hope so. But normally there are surprises announced closer to their release dates. And there really REALLY needs to be more 3rd party releases. If the system is relying on 1st party releases to tide people over, then no, it won't do very well. I think that was a problem with the Wii U, a lack of commitment from 3rd party developers. So, I have to wonder, how the devs are feeling about the overall system, and if it will be easy to code for it. If they're having trouble attracting 3rd party developers to it, then that poses a problem. What it needs is sustainability and it can't do that without a healthy ecosystem of developers. And it would certainly help if most of these titles weren't simply different versions of what's already out there. It's going to need more exclusives to boost sales. Maybe exclusives from 3rd party developers that can pull a punch. Skyrim is a start in terms of 3rd party, but who's really going to buy an older game again on yet another console when the special edition is out or cheaper on last gen? That'd be pretty much left to those who haven't played it, and Skyrim was a very popular game. That's like an arrow to the knee!

As it is, it looks Nintendo is really miscalculated things. I think what they really need is an approach with new blood to get them looking at things from a different perspective that doesn't lead them to these kinds of mistakes. Because the way I see it, I think part of it is the culture at the company.
 
^ They've been doing a pretty good job at courting indie devs in recent years and there's a fair bit of support from that community. Most of the stuff I've heard in previous months have indicated that devs find it easy to code for.
 
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Currently I find myself fascinated with the Nintendo Switch. And I mean the console itself. It looks like an interesting concept. However, when the Xbox One and PS4 were starting their life cycle (just before release) they already had a large prospective release list with AAA title. At this moment Nintendo Switch is lacking. I am dumbfounded why the console builder has not announced what they are developing themselves. This seems a far cry from the turn of the century when they were drumming up support from Retro, Rare and Factor 5. Has Nintendo's power really waned that much?
I wish the console the best and I will keep a close eye on it, but so far Nintendo appears to have gotten the hard things right but the easy things wrong.
 
This seems a far cry from the turn of the century when they were drumming up support from Retro, Rare and Factor 5. Has Nintendo's power really waned that much?

Well, Rare doesn't really exist in any tangible form anymore, Factor 5 has been dead for almost a decade and God only knows what Retro is up to anymore. Beyond that, while the GameCube did a decent amount of damage to Nintendo's relationship with third parties, the Wii and Wii U really killed most of those relationships -- companies aren't going to expend time and resources on porting games to platforms where they won't sell. It won't be too hard to put something like Skyrim on the Switch, considering the system is essentially running on last-gen hardware on steroids, but given the identity crisis the system already has (is it a portable? Is it a console? Is it both? Is it a taco?), I think there's the strong possibility of a lot of shovelware, just as we saw with the original Wii.

Edit: It is worth noting that Nintendo has already announced its three first-party releases for the year: Breath of the Wild, the Mario Kart 8 port and Mario Odyssey sometime around the holidays.
 
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