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"There All the Honor Lies"
--Merchandising on B5--I love the reactions of the characters: Londo being "cast . . . " in a bad way, "We're not some deep space franchise," the JS bear, etc.
--Sheridan kills a Minbari in self-defence, but is framed for murder by a "witness" who wants revenge on "Starkiller" Sheridan
--Interesting info on Minbari and lying--not true that they don't lie
--Lenier proves a worthy invenstigator
--Great Londo moment when he goes to bat for Vir so he can remain on B5

Good episode. 4/5
 
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"And Now for a Word"
--36-hour report on B5 by ISN
--Cynthia Torqueman (sp?) is a beotch, and certainly not impartial
--The Narn discover the Centauri have been shipping weapons through B5 and destroy a ship. A full-on fight ensues with much posturing until a Centauri war ship and a Narn heavy cruiser destry each other outside B5.
--PsiCorp commercial is really lame, including the subliminal message
--Nice final message from Sheridan about B5 being there to create peace, to build the future

I loved how this episode made me feel. I loathed Cynthia and her tactics and how she portrayed B5. It was an uncomfortable viewing, and thus, a very well-made hour of television. 5/5
 
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Eh, Cynthia Torqueman was all right. She presented things in a fairly balanced manner.

Now, the next ISN episode down the road a ways is a different matter.
 
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Time to get up to date again. :D

Hunter, Prey

I gotta go with Sheridan: Kosh's ship is a beauty. Sheridan / Kosh scenes are always fun, and these are no exception. For a being who claims to take no interest in the affairs of others Kosh certainly manages to get involved often enough. It's interesting that he chooses to involve himself not in big issues like the Narn / Centauri conflict, but helping Sheridan save some doctor from the Earth nasties.... The fuss over Dr. Jacobs serves mostly as further proof of how very unpleasant things are getting back on Earth – nothing new there.

The Sheridan / Kosh stuff aside this episode isn't anything out of the ordinary, but a few more puzzle pieces appear. Not major ones, but they all add up. On a completely useless note, Bernie Casey must be one of the most wooden actors ever. Makes the character even more irritating. :D


There All The Honour Lies

"We're not some deep space franchise!" :guffaw: Gotta love Ivanova. :D The whole merchandising concept is silly, but great fun nonetheless. I especially like the bit with the masks – humans as aliens as humans as aliens...yeah – and Mollari's complaints about the...err...attributes of the Mollari doll is priceless. :D The bear story has been mentioned already; it's always good for a laugh. :D

As for the meat of the episode... It serves mostly as a reiteration of themes we've already seen. Further evidence that the Minbari are as divided over humans and their worth as they ever were, and opinions of Delenn's change are clearly sharply divided. "Minbari do not lie" – yeah, right. The resolution of the issue is rather neat and reveals a bit more about Minbari society.

Sheridan: "I'm not quite sure I understand what we're doing down here."
Kosh: "Good."
:lol: I do like Kosh. The whole Kosh-teaches-Sheridan arc is fascinating, and "one moment of perfect beauty" certainly is.

Vir's development as a character takes another step forward. "You're gonna lecture me on what is or isn't like someone? Everything you've done??" he asks Mollari. It's a very pertinent question and one the Vir we first met would never have dreamed of asking. It's also interesting to learn just how much of a joke the Centauri considered B5, Mollari and the post of ambassador to be. How unfortunate that it changed the way it did....

"I have studied Sheridan at great length" Delenn tells Lennier. Fascinating. Why would she do that, I wonder...? :D Lennier also takes a few significant steps forward as a character, and another aspect of the series that I always enjoyed a great deal also moves along a bit.

All told, not bad at all.


And Now For A Word

Not a lot to say about this. It's interesting to see an outside perspective about life aboard the station, even if one has to question the impartiality of what we end up seeing. Still, it could have been much worse (I miss the old spoiler code at times like this).

Wonderful G'Kar background, and a typically marvellous performance by Andreas Katsulas. The man never put a foot wrong. And this speech is brilliant: "Why does any advanced civilisation seek to destroy a less advanced one? Because the land is strategically valuable, because there are resources that can be cultivated and exploited, but most of all, simply because they can." How true. Naturally Mollari's interpretation of events is completely different. History is a very flexible thing, isn't it? And dismissing what's happened as a "misunderstanding"...yeesh, I loathe Mollari. :p

That PsiCorps ad is utterly repulsive, IMHO. The corps is your friend, indeed. :p

Sheridan's final speech, yet again, says a lot about him. "We are in the process of building the future." Indeed. ;)
 
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Okay, I dunno where we are now, but I just finished watching "And Now For A Word".

A few comments:
-Don't you just love it when journalists make the news instead of reporting it? ;)
-The new "Office of Public Morale" and "Ministry of Information"... sounds almost Orwellian...
-The commercials, Interplanetary Expeditions and Psi Corps. We know about Interplanetary Expeditions from early the first season and why does Psi Corps feel the need to advertise? "We're everywhere" indeed. :p
 
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About time someone else posted here. Where the heck is everyone???

Anyway, I'll post my gibberings about this week's episodes now. I'll post "Knives" before "In The Shadow of Z'ha'dum"; makes a bit more sense in that order, although it doesn't really matter. ;)


Knives

Eh, the Mollari stuff is all very well, but given my lack of regard for the character I tend not to pay much attention to that aspect of the episode. :p It's interesting, though – very interesting – that Mollari's old friend knows exactly what is going on, and supremely ironic that he goes to Mollari (so heavily involved in everything that's going on on Centauri Prime) for help. Not that Mollari was much use (although at least Urza's family will survive), and at long last Mollari begins to see what he's let himself in for. Not that it helps....

The Sheridan plot isn't anything exceptional, either. Character is possessed by some sort of alien. Gee, how many times have we seen this before? Curious that it headed for sector 14, where B4 disappeared...

Nothing of great note here. Moving right along, then....


In The Shadow of Z'ha'dum

Wow. Just wow.

One of the best Vir moments in the series, for a start. :lol:

Sheridan, to date, has seemed to present a light and cheerful demeanour to almost everything he's confronted with. Not that he's taken everything he's seen since his arrival lightly, but he's maintained that pleasant attitude. We see a very different side here. Push him far enough or present him with this type of challenge and he's prepared to go to considerable – even insane – lengths to get answers. He listens to no one, just embarks on a crusade and tramples over anyone who raises any sort of objection. Until Delenn and Kosh step in.

"There are beings in the universe billions of years older than either of our races..." Finally some answers, many of which lead to even more questions. One has to wonder just a bit how Kosh got those scenes on Z'ha'dum, but I suppose we can imagine Vorlons have their sources. Kosh's warning and Sheridan's reply are things to bear in mind.

Oh, yes – Nightwatch. Yet another of those highly unpleasant organisations that seem to be springing up on Earth. Needless to say there's rather more to it than Zack believes.

Terrific stuff – one of the best of the season, and of the series for that matter – and the start of a run of fabulous episodes to the end of the season. And beyond. ;)

(As an aside, I can thoroughly recommend The Shadow Within by Jeanne Cavelos, a novel which adds considerable background to certain events in this episode.)


Confessions and Lamentations

This is quite an episode. It doesn't contribute much to the overall arc but it does – once again – mark B5 as being a very different show. I can't think of too many series where there isn't some last minute miracle cure that saves the day in these sorts of situations. In this episode there is indeed a miracle "cure"...but it's too late. The Markab are gone. Just like that. It's a big move.

The Markab doctor, Lazarenn, is a wonderfully realised character and his death is genuinely moving. Contrast him with the Markab ambassador – more concerned with appearances than helping his people. Contrast that ambassador with Delenn – prepared to risk her life for anyone she believes she can help.

The highlights of this episode for me are the various Sheridan / Delenn scenes. More puzzle pieces, and damn I miss the old spoiler code. :mad: :D Just wonderful stuff. The scene where she tells the Markab kid about being lost, then found, is quite fascinating too....

Best line in the episode? "Faith manages." Very Delenn.

The scene where they find all the Markab dead...extraordinary.

A fantastic episode – thought-provoking, intriguing, different. Altogether excellent.
 
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Hunter, Prey - This episode brings back several threads, including Sheridan's "black projects", General Hague's involvement with Sheridan, and the murder of President Santiago.

It also features an appearance by Bull from Night Court. You've gotta love that. And So-Crates from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure ... He was played by the late Tony Steedman; here, he plays former Vice President Clarke's doctor, a man who can prove without a doubt that Clarke was NOT ill when he left the President's ship, and Clarke was involved in the murder of President Santiago.

3.5/5 stars
 
There All the Honor Lies

This episode is a fan favorite. Not just because we are given a Moment of Perfect Beauty ... Not just because it's written by Trek author Peter David ... And not just because it features a crossover between this series and Peter David & Bill Mumy's series Space Cases (which features a young Jewel Staite - Kaylee from Firefly).

"This isn't some deep space franchise. This place is about something" ... That's right. This episode features the one and only Babylon 5 Emporium, and Londo's doll with his missing ... attributes.

LOVED it!

4/5 stars
 
And Now For a Word

aka "36 Hours on Babylon 5" ... We meet another ISN reporter, Cynthia Torqueman, who recently spent 36 hours on the station, interviewing the command staff and a few of the Ambassadors and others on the station.

As is par for the course when it comes to ISN Anchors, she just can't pronounce Susan's last name. Ah, poor Susan. (Watch the blooper reels, whenever Maggie - Jane - talks about Ivanova, she just butchers the name, and this is kind of an inside joke)

This episode features the famous "Never Again" speech from G'Kar, and may be one of the big "geek/nerd" episodes of the first two seasons. It's filled with trivia and minutia, from the number of dockworkers aboard the station, to the number of Minbari languages. It's ripe for a trivia game, that's for sure.

It also brings the Psi Corps in, in an unexpected, and completely consistant, way.

4/5 ... next up, a Big One. "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum
 
Just a Reminder ...

Just a reminder, this week we have 3 episodes, starting with "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum" ... Next Sunday, we will have the remaining four season 2 episodes.

For those who are still with us, do you feel we're going too fast or too slow? With season 3, it really kicks in gear, and I know of more than a few people who have done the entire season in just 1 or 2 days ... but that's not fair to others who don't have the time to do more, so I'm asking ... what number works best?

PM me, please, and let me know how you think we should proceed with season 3. I'll give it a week or so and then post the schedule, based on those responses.

Thanks!
 
In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum

In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum

If you have not seen the complete series already, do NOT listen to the commentary on this episode (actually, don't listen to any of them until you've seen the whole thing first, then go back and listen to them).

It's so hard to talk about this episode, keeping in mind there are some reading this who haven't seen later episodes. So how do I do it without giving away big time spoilers?

Sheridan's wife was named Anna. Prior to his assignment on Babylon 5, she went off on a research ship named the Icarus. Also on board was Morden. The very-much-alive ally of Londo Mollari.

Sheridan has him brought in for questioning, and just grills him. And learns nothing. At least, not from Morden. Instead, he learns Morden has connections, including, in some part, both Londo AND Kosh.

Nightwatch is introduced here ... For newbies, pay close attention to everything we learn about Nightwatch from here on out. Remember this all was filmed in the early to mid 1990s, and see if anything happening in our government today reminds you of that organization.

Two other things go on here that pay off in the future. One in a funny way, another in a heart-wrenching way.

Side note, Jeff Conaway looks pretty good here ... It's so sad what's become of him the last few years or so. Oh, he's still alive, just a huge druggie, and he's really let himself go.

5/5 stars
 
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Well I finished watching the previous three episodes yesterday. And then I also watched In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum, lemme post some thoughts on the episodes:

Hunter, Prey

This is a very good episodes that confirms the suspicions about Clarke knowing (or actually being the one responsible) about the fact that Earth Force One was gonna have an 'accident'.
It also introduces us to dr. Jacobs whom I quite liked (and is it just me or did he look a bit like Robert Duvall? :)). Oh, and then there's some interesting discoveries about Vorlon ships. Cool stuff!
It was also fun to see Bernie Casey on the show (he played Cal Hudson in the two-parter Maquis on DS). So yeah, a definately good episode which I enjoyed a lot. :)
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There All The Honor Lies

Ah, the typical story about a good guy getting framed and then he and his friends have to figure out who and why framed him. :) But you know it, was still a lot of fun.
I liked learning some more info about the Minbari, like the fact that they don't lie. And that they do lie on occasion, how convenient eh?
Basically, another good episode. :)
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And Now for a Word

Another good episode. I actually thought that Cynthia Torqueman was fairly objective. But yeah, it's definately a good episode even though I don't really have much to say about it.
I did love G'Kar's "never again" speech. This guy has so many good speeches over the course of the show, and this is definately one of them. Andreas Katsulas does the role so well. :)
B+



In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum

Oh yeah baby, now this is what I'm talking about. :D This episodes is just so damn good. :) Sheridan going all crazy about getting to the truth, and not giving a damn was ... honestly? Well, it made sense. Like he said, his wife meant the world to him and the possibility that her death was an accident (or that she was still life), well let's just say I can understand why he wanted to get to the truth, no matter the consequences.
We also get the introduction of the Nightwatch. Newbies, keep an eye on them. :)
Anyway, this is definately a great ep, one of the best so far. :)
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I recommend you not read this if you haven't see the episodes yet. Fairly warned.

In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum
One of those annoying "some pieces fall into place and more pieces appear" episodes. :p We see the story behind Morden and who he works for, and we know a little about the Shadows now. Not a whole lot to go on though... yet. ;)

Oh, and "Ministry of Peace"? :p

Knives
A Londo episode which only serves to confirm to Londo that the choices he's made haven't been good ones.

Confessions and Laminations
When I first saw this episode, I was thinking it would be one of those somewhat cliched medical episodes where they find the cure in the nick of time.

Uh uh. When they opened up the quarantine hatch at the end of the episode... I was shocked to say the least. It was completely shocking to see that a TV show actually killed off billions of people. It wasn't one of those "everything is all right by the end of the episode" type things. Very few shows would take that sort of risk, and Star Trek is usually one of those that play it safe.
 
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IN THE SHADOW OF Z’HA’DUM

Sheridan finds out that Morden was actually on the Icarus, the ship that was supposedly lost with all hands, including Sheridan’s wife.

Ok so we learn that Kosh is of an ancient race who has battled the Shadows before. And Sheridan tries to find out from Morden what happened to the Icarus. That’s about it. Pretty blah episode for me.

I found some very cliché’d writing in this episode also, such as:
Garibaldi: “I never forget a face.” And,
Talia: “Cold… so cold.”

No Trek connections.


KNIVES

An old friend of Londo’s comes to visit, whose house is about to be branded traitorous; while Sheridan holds a consciousness passed onto him at the moment of an alien’s death.

I hope now Sheridan will stop browsing around the dangerous parts of the station without a backup plan or company along with him! It was just a 3 episodes ago where Sheridan was almost sentenced for murder.

I didn’t like Sheridan’s story of the visions he is seeing. It just seemed like filler to make the episode come out to its required length. The story could have been done better as an ‘A’ story, more fully fleshing out the emotions that Sheridan was having.

Londo’s Centauri friend Urza Jaddo arrives on the station, a surprise to Londo. Really he came to the station in order to have an honourable death. I wonder if he knew of Londo’s alliances on the homeworld before? That was some bad swordfighting choreography by the way.

Trek connection:
William Dennis Hunt played the Centauri Noble in this episode. He also played a character named ‘Huraga’ on DS9’s “The Way of the Warrior” parts 1 & 2.

Urza Jaddo was played by Carmen Argenziano. He has no Trek connections, but he has appeared in over 150 different roles according to imdb. Sci Fi fans may recognize him as Jacob Carter in about 25 episodes of Stargate SG-1.


CONFESSIONS & LAMENTATIONS

An epidemic begins taking the lives of the Markab.

I found this AIDS-allegory story an intriguing one. I liked that the doctor, in the nick of time, finds that all-needed cure and gets the doses ready—but then finding out that he’s too late, and almost the entire race has been wiped out. I of course didn’t like that the race had been decimated, that would be psychotic to wish that--but that it wasn’t the nice, neat ending to the stories that we’re used to, with the doctor saving the day at the last moment because HE was the one who found a cure. Yes, he did find a cure; but not all is saved by the end of the episode.

I noticed this a few episodes ago (In the Shadow of Z’Ha’Dum) when there were many Narn survivors being brought onto the station, and noticed it here too: there are sometimes a LOAD of extras in full makeup! DS9 was probably the most alien-intense show for Star Trek, and they didn’t have half as many extras in full costume & makeup as B5 does. The other episode were numerous Narn extras; this one there are a great number of Markab extras.

And of course, like the only time we’ve EVER seen a kid on Babylon 5, and she’s stricken with a disease and will die. All for our compassion and emotion. A little cliché’d there. And then not once, but twice, we have to deal with her “I can’t find my mommy/daddy.” Puh-leeease.

Trek connections:
- Jim Norton played the Markab doctor, Lazarenn. He played Albert Einstein in the TNG episodes “The Nth Degree” and “Descent, Part 1”.
- The bartender, played by Dan Woren, was apparently a Borg in ST: First Contact.
- Rosie Malek-Yonan played one of the doctors, likely the only other one who had a speaking role. She also played the role of Tekoa in DS9’s “The Assignment”.
 
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Autobot said:
I noticed this a few episodes ago (In the Shadow of Z’Ha’Dum) when there were many Narn survivors being brought onto the station, and noticed it here too: there are sometimes a LOAD of extras in full makeup! DS9 was probably the most alien-intense show for Star Trek, and they didn’t have half as many extras in full costume & makeup as B5 does. The other episode were numerous Narn extras; this one there are a great number of Markab extras.

Not as many as you think. In the case of the Narns, and probably the Markabs as well, they had a relatively small number of extras walking in a circle.
 
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"In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum"
--Great to see Sheridan fired up. Granted he goes a bit over the top. While his behavior is understandable, it's also understandable why Garibaldi resigns over it.
--Live Vir: his wish is to see Morden's head on a Pike so he can give it his little wave. Nice!
--I kinda feel bad for Talia the way Sheridan used her (only kinda).
--Delenn talks of the 1st ones and the shadows
--Night Watch begins.

Things are really moving now. Great stuff. 4.5/5
 
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