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Niners Unite...around Babylon 5!

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It appears that the group weren't able to stick to the 4-episodes a week schedule. Some people went way faster, others couldn't keep up. So, the number of people contributing started getting fewer and fewer. I too eventually got off track; I have a hard time sitting inside watching television this time of year. Too much sun to enjoy and socializing to do :)
 
Ah, thanks for the explanation. Myself, I could sit & watch at least 3 episodes daily, but then again, it WAS winter when I did, so I can see the point you make. It was a great idea tho. Too bad it didn't work.
 
I used to post here under my old username of Ranger Firell that the episodes count per week was too much .So I just stopped coming.
 
Well, if anyone is interested in starting these up again, I'd love to join in. Seemed to me as if you had an excellent thing going. I've had a little extra time off lately and so have watched a bit more DS9. Add that to a few peresonal B5-related projects and I feel the urge to dive into some real, honest-to-goodness discussion such as you all have had here.
 
Well, I just got the complete Babylon 5 series - all five seasons - on DVD! It was a birthday present from one of my brothers. I've also got the B5 Movie Collection, the Crusade box set, and Legend Of The Rangers.

I became a big fan of the show during Season Five, when I caught the reruns of all the episodes from the first four seasons on TNT. I also caught all the episodes from The Fall Of Centauri Prime to Sleeping In Light when they first aired!

After getting the DVD sets, I started re-watching the show in (more or less) chronological order (as opposed to production), starting with In The Beginning and The Gathering and working my way through Season One.

The most recent episode I've watched is Eyes. I've got to say that that's probably my favorite episode from Season One! It may not be as important to the overall story arc as And The Sky Fall Of Stars, Signs And Portents, or Chrysalis, and I also understand that it was kind of conceived at the last minute as something of a bottle show, but it's got two great guest-star performances - Gregory Martin as Colonel Ari ben Zayn and the inimitable Jeffrey Combs as PsiCorps military specialist Harriman Gray.

While Alfred Bester (Walter Koenig) and Mr. Morden (Ed Wasser) are probably the two most prominent long-term adversaries on the show, I've got to say that Gregory Martin's performance as Colonel ben Zayn is probably my favorite one-shot guest villain on the entire show! I mean, this guy was scary - especially with that scar running along the side of his face! I also loved Jeffrey Combs (better known to Star Trek fans as Ferengi Liquidator Brunt, the Vorta Weyoun, and Andorian Commander Shran), as the PsiCorps officer Harriman Gray. Because it's Jeffrey Combs, and he comes off slightly nervous and shifty, your first instinct is to not completely trust the guy. But he ultimately proves himself honorable and heroic in the end, helping Commander Sinclair (Michael O'Hare) turn the tables on the malevolent ben Zayn!

The episode is also important because it establishes once and for all that, yes, continuity is a big issue for the show and Commander Sinclair's actions in previous episodes do end up having consequences further down the road (which was one of J. Michael Straczynski's, and writer Lawrence G. DiTillio's, primary motivations for conceiving the episode in the first place). It also helps set up and establish Susan Ivanova's (Claudia Christian) deep-seated fears of being telepathically scanned (as well as her feelings for Talia Winters), which will come to a head in the Second Season episode Divided Loyalties).
 
I'm sorry to see that this thread has fizzled. Like someone above mentioned, life happened and I've been absent from the TrekBBS for the past two months. It was fun while it lasted.
 
DS9 is my favorite Sci-fi show of all time. For a long time I was turned off by B5 by my own ignorance of assuming that B5 was a rip-off of DS9. I know better now.

I just finished watching the entire B5 universe (and I really wish Crusade had lasted longer, but anyway...)

B5 really got going by the second season, and up until the middle of the 3rd season I was on the edge of my seat. But after the Shadow war was resolved I felt rather let down. Everything from the last half of the 3rd season to the end of the series seemed like a let down.

I get the impression that while the story was mapped out to stretch out for 5 years, since they didn't know whether or not the show would be renewed each year, they crammed all the story into the first 2 1/2 years to make sure the story was completed.

It seemes like the events that transpired during season 4 should have been inter-woven into the shadow-war arc, and not an after-thought of the shadow war. By season 5, well it seems he was just grasping for story content.

I still enjoyed it though, for what it was. But it seems like it could have been so much better if whatever-his-name-was that created the show could have been garunteed a full five years from the start. I have a feeling the show would have played out much better that way. It just seemed like the first have of the series was too rushed and the last half to drawn out.

One final thought, since I completed my run through of all things B5, I've done quite a bit of searching around the net about B5, and for some reason, I have a very strong dislike of the guy who wrote the show. Just something about the way he.. I dunno, I can't articulate it.

I've read through this site - http://www.oinc.net/B5/Enc/ - and at the end of each episode synopsis there are notes by JMS, and after reading through his notes on each episode there's just something about the guy I don't like. I think it's his ego, but that doesn't feel right either. He just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
It would've been nice if Crusade could've had a longer run. If I remember right, it was another of those series that was bounced all over the place, always on at a different time. Too bad.
 
Does anyone know how the plague on earth was resolved?

Crusade of course leaves us hanging, and by the B5 series finale we see individuals who were infected on earth moving freely between earth, mars and minbar. From that we can extrapolate the cure was found, but did the way it was cured ever get spoken of?
 
The only JMS that worked was B5, because he worked it all out before approaching anyone with it. He doesn't do well with the typical show where it's improvised as you go along. He really should work out a new overall story and take as much time as he can afford to, given that he needs to work as everyone does. Supposedly, some time ago, he was busy writing for a new B5 series that was definitely going to be made. Anyone know what happened? It was a year or two ago.

I never saw Jeremiah. What was it like?
 
UnknownSample said:
The only JMS that worked was B5, because he worked it all out before approaching anyone with it. He doesn't do well with the typical show where it's improvised as you go along. He really should work out a new overall story and take as much time as he can afford to, given that he needs to work as everyone does. Supposedly, some time ago, he was busy writing for a new B5 series that was definitely going to be made. Anyone know what happened? It was a year or two ago.

Well, first there was Legend of the Rangers. The pilot movie aired on Scifi, but didn't do very well, and it never went to series.

Then there was The Memory of Shadows, which was to be a big-screener. Studio rumblings about recasting, combined with the death of Richard Biggs, put the kabosh on that.

Now, there's Lost Tales, which will be at least two (and probably more) direct-to-DVD mini-stories. Shooting is complete on those, so it looks like they're really happening.

I never saw Jeremiah. What was it like?

Pretty good. It follows a similar format to B5---the first season is mostly standalones (but most of them tie in to the main story in some small way), and the second season begins to be far more arc-based.

With only two years, it doesn't have anywhere near the amount of closure that B5 did, but it ends in a pretty good place. Worth your time now that the season 1 DVDs have come down in price. (Season 2 isn't out yet.)
 
speaking of Lost Tales, any possibility that the cast of DS9 might ever come back to the small (or big) screen?
 
Then there was The Memory of Shadows, which was to be a big-screener. Studio rumblings about recasting, combined with the death of Richard Biggs, put the kabosh on that.

No, they simply ran out of studio time.

http://worldsofjms.com/usenet/post/050226b.htm

The rule of thumb in Hollywood is that for every thousand scripts that
get written, only a few dozen get into development, and out of those,
only one will ever get made...if that.

A little over a year ago, I was approached by a company that wanted to
make a Babylon 5 movie. They optioned the rights, and commissioned a
script. (It's worth mentioning that I, not WB, own the rights to a B5
movie. When we were negotiating the original B5 deal -- by whose terms
I will never see a dime in profit -- the one thing they did let me have
were the movie rights, figuring they'd never be worth anything in the
long run.)

Anyway...on December 27th of 2003, the script for "The Memory of
Shadows" was turned in, and the process began of trying to make the
deal work with all the various forces involved. It is, to say the
least, a very difficult process on any movie where the studio does not
directly take the financial reins. In terms of B5, Warner's position
was esssentially, "We only do big-budget movies with big names, so
you're on your own." If there were big-name movie actors in the film,
they'd get behind it; without that, things become very problematic,
especially as far as the financing was concerned. You much have to put
together a consortium of international interests and business plans
rivaled in complexity only by the Allied invasion of Normandy Beach.

Nonetheless, every attempt was made by the people involved to get this
deal in place. This was not being done by Doug or myself, but rather
by the company/individuals who approached us and optioned the rights.
At times, it seemed we were inches away from a deal...stages were
reserved at Elstree, actors were contacted, a director was in place,
the script went through many revisions, a few key staff were hired,
again not by me...it was really a year-long roller coaster ride.
During that time, the people involved, with every good intention, tried
very hard to pull the necessary pieces together on the deal. The
option expired in late December 2004, but I renewed it without cost, to
give those involved more time to try and make things work.

In the end, however, the deal could be put together, and it did not
look as if that was going to change at any point in the foreseeable
future. So the option has reverted, and to all intents and purposes,
the project has dead ended. Nor do I think this particular incarnation
will arise again at any point in the future, though prognostication has
always been a tricky art, especially if you have to do it without the
benefit of hindsight.

This was not the first time someone's taken a run at a B5 feature film,
and it will not be the last. Eventually it will happen, because such
things are simply inevitable. If they can do a Brady Bunch movie, you
can be sure that sooner or later, somebody's going to do a B5 movie.
The only thing I can say without equivocation is that when that day
comes, as the rights-holder, I will make darned sure that it's done
right, because I'd rather have no B5 movie than one that doesn't live
up to what fans and I myself would want to see.

To that end...I can wait.

Anyway, just thought you should know the story.

jms
 
upinout said:
Does anyone know how the plague on earth was resolved?

Crusade of course leaves us hanging, and by the B5 series finale we see individuals who were infected on earth moving freely between earth, mars and minbar. From that we can extrapolate the cure was found, but did the way it was cured ever get spoken of?
I for one would love to see some sort of continuation of the Crusade saga, and see more adventures of Captain Matthew Gideon and the crew of the Excalibur - preferably in a series of novels!

I personally thought that the show had potential...but it never really had a chance to live up to it. In that respect, it's a lot like the First Season of Babylon 5. The early episodes were kind of interesting (as well as intelligent), but it's only late in the Second Season (In The Shadow Of Z'ha'dum) that the show really starts to catch fire!

And it's certainly regrettable that Crusade never got that far. It was cancelled when it was just in its warm-up process... :(
 
Anyone who likes Babylon 5 is also guilty of gang raping an Australian Aboriginie on a pinball machine.

Like you weren't all thinking it.
 
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