Nicholas Meyer Discusses Discovery

[Rahul]

Just to play devil's advocate for a second: Considering how much DIS has changed for season 2 (Pike, classic uniforms, Enterprise, traditional klingon designs, less shooting,...) it's pretty obvious there were the one or other emergeny meetings inbetween.

Just like with re-shoots: Sometimes stuff actually gets better when criticism is aknowledged and put right in a reasonable amount!

When they completely ignore the fact that CBS has 4 or 5 other Trek projects lined up to be broadcast in the next couple of years, it really takes away any credence to their statements.

Broadcast company's DO NOT continue to toss large sums of money at projects that are not making them a significant return.

Also: CBS likes CBS All Access to continue. So far, their only real customer base is Star Trek fans. Even if they were disappointed in DIS (by, say, declining viewers), they would know that Trek fans are there and willing to pay money, so they can lure them with even more content, maybe more "traditional" (like, say, a Picard show). It's really the only option CBS has at this point: Either Trek fans hold it afloat, or they don't. But they don't have any other cards to play, so they go all in on their one chance (Contrast to, say, Netflix, which tries to hold a diverse customer base with wildly varying content).



Now that that's cleared up: Fuck these types of videos!

Valid criticism is one thing. These assholes are actually just trying to spur hate and outrage for policial purposes. Exactly the thing they always accuse all others of.

It will be Fun Time! I'm going watch this for fun. I'm setting up a Fanboy Game. The more stereotypically fanboy, the more points awarded.

"He has a source over at Star Trek: Discovery that there are emergency meetings going on today" --> 20 points

"The fact that Discovery is an abomination of 50 years of boldy going where no one has gone before didn't do them or us any favors!" --> 5 points

"We'd still pay for Star Trek if it were real Star Trek!" --> 10 points

"Kill off Michael Burnham, which I think would be a really good start. You could probably win a lot of people over doing that." --> 20 points

"Doomcock's source is pretty reliable." --> 5 points

"Because STD hasn't been well received, despite critics giving positive reviews who I'm sure weren't paid at all by CBS to say nice things about their show..." --> 10 points for calling it "STD", 20 points for saying critics were paid, for a combined total of 30 points

"Compare that to The Orville" --> 10 points

"CBS definitely paid for views to trick investors just like they paid for positive reviews" --> I can't decide between 10 or 20, he loses some for piggy-backing on what he said earlier, so I'll go with 15 points

Then he reads comments from the peanut gallery, which I won't include in his tally.

So, that's a Grand Total of... 115 points!

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Wow. You actually watched that thing! Poor soul.

 

[fireproof78]

Wow. You actually watched that thing! Poor soul.

Your words express sympathy but your emoji expresses laughter at another's suffering... O_o

 

[Refuge]

I'm not willing to give them the clicks.

In the middle of reading this thread and its an eye-opener. I have never heard of this site but it surely provokes a push back!

Still they got an interview and no one put the words in his mouth. He has pretty impressive credentials and credibility in my opinion.

 

[Lord Garth]

Wow. You actually watched that thing! Poor soul.

Your words express sympathy but your emoji expresses laughter at another's suffering... O_o

Hey, I went in knowing what to expect. I could've made it a drinking game, but my liver wouldn't have liked that. So I came up with something else.

 

[Armus]

Just to play devil's advocate for a second: Considering how much DIS has changed for season 2 (Pike, classic uniforms, Enterprise, traditional klingon designs, less shooting,...) it's pretty obvious there were the one or other emergeny meetings inbetween.

Just like with re-shoots: Sometimes stuff actually gets better when criticism is aknowledged and put right in a reasonable amount!



Also: CBS likes CBS All Access to continue. So far, their only real customer base is Star Trek fans. Even if they were disappointed in DIS (by, say, declining viewers), they would know that Trek fans are there and willing to pay money, so they can lure them with even more content, maybe more "traditional" (like, say, a Picard show). It's really the only option CBS has at this point: Either Trek fans hold it afloat, or they don't. But they don't have any other cards to play, so they go all in on their one chance (Contrast to, say, Netflix, which tries to hold a diverse customer base with wildly varying content).



Now that that's cleared up: Fuck these types of videos!

Valid criticism is one thing. These assholes are actually just trying to spur hate and outrage for policial purposes. Exactly the thing they always accuse all others of.



Wow. You actually watched that thing! Poor soul.

"Hey, gang. Thank you so much for watching my stupid show. Your continued support means everything to me. If you want to dive deeper into the world of Egotastic FunTime, please consider becoming an Official Egopanion and support the show on Patreon. PLEDGE HERE: https://www.patreon.com/egotasticfuntime
I hope all your times are Egotastic FunTimes... LOVE YOU! BYE BYE!"

 

[Rahul]

"Hey, gang. Thank you so much for watching my stupid show. Your continued support means everything to me. If you want to dive deeper into the world of Egotastic FunTime, please consider becoming an Official Egopanion and support the show on Patreon. PLEDGE HERE: https://www.patreon.com/egotasticfuntime
I hope all your times are Egotastic FunTimes... LOVE YOU! BYE BYE!"

Is that... from the video? I didn't watch it. I don't get what you want to say.

 

[Armus]

Is that... from the video? I didn't watch it. I don't get what you want to say.

It's from his youtube page, thanking everyone who watches his silly videos.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Isn't that they guy who started the whole Halston Sage will be leaving The Orville for season 2 rumor?

 

[Lord Garth]

On another note...

Just to play devil's advocate for a second: Considering how much DIS has changed for season 2 (Pike, classic uniforms, Enterprise, traditional klingon designs, less shooting,...) it's pretty obvious there were the one or other emergency meetings inbetween

I think the changes in DSC S2 aren't that much more than the changes made for the third and fourth season of DS9 or the third and fourth seasons of VOY.

To go into that in a little more detail:

DS9 S3 --> The Defiant, the Dominion (technically introduced in S2 but that was meant to set up this season), and revealing the Founders of the Dominion are Odo's people. Not to mention de-emphasizing the Bajorans.

DS9 S4 --> Bringing on Worf and breaking the peace treaty with the Klingons. Not to mention making Dukat seem like he'd turn into one of the "good guys", for lack of a better term. Ira Steven Behr has said this was a detour and it took until the middle of Season 5 to get back to where they originally planned to be with the Dominion as the main enemy. And as far as Dukat being a good guy, to quote Dukat himself, "You and me on the same side, Major? It never quite felt right, did it?"

VOY S3 --> Leaving the Kazon (and Vedians) behind, killing off Suder, making Chakotay not be the father of Seska's child after all, getting rid of any remaining tension with the Maquis crew-members once and for all, and (a little bit later) giving Doc a mobile emitter.

VOY S4 --> Bringing on Seven of Nine and having the Borg and Species 8472 in the background as the Main Adversaries. They might have planned to do something with the Krenim but whatever plans they had were truncated and confined to just "Year of Hell".

These all seem to be changes done on the same level as what's being done now.

DSC S2 --> The Klingon War and Mirror Universe arcs are wrapped up and Lorca's out of the picture, so a vacuum opens up for a different Captain. Pike and Spock are brought on, like Worf and the Borg were brought on in DS9 and VOY, and Discovery goes off on a new adventure with a lighter tone, since the war is over and so is Lorca's influence over the ship.

 

[Amaris]

Isn't that they guy who started the whole Halston Sage will be leaving The Orville for season 2 rumor?

I don't know if he started it, but he has talked about it a lot. Now, I love JP, he's funny as hell and is worth watching for his Orville stuff, but he is definitely not a fan of DSC. It started off as mild dislike, but it's apparent he's moved further away and actively pushes back against the show.

 

[Rahul]

I think the changes in DSC S2 aren't that much more than the changes made for the third and fourth season of DS9 or the third and fourth seasons of VOY.

Oh, I fully agree!
It's hard to underestimate the shake-ups both these series had: Especially on VOY, everything changed, even the production style: The first two seasons had the dull, TNG-like flat 80s tv-lightening, after that, they introduced a more TWOK-like naturalistic lightening style. The show became notably darker, with shadows and side lightening, and the stories became more mature. Sadly, they also dropped arc-based storytelling which they have played with in favour of a more episodic one.
On DS9, the directive was flat out to "save the show" (because the ratings it had - while still pretty good respectively - were deemed disappointing at the time, especially compared to TNG), they were forced to bring a well-known TNG actor to their show, halt the Dominion arc and introduce a major shake-up in more familiar territory for the TNG-fans that were supposed to join: They even played with blowing up Vulcan or Bajor joining the Dominion, and settled down for the "smaller" Klingon war arc.

 

[fireproof78]

They even played with blowing up Vulcan or Bajor joining the Dominion, and settled down for the "smaller" Klingon war arc.

I wonder how that would have gone over, given the backlash against Abrams?

 

[mos6507]

When they completely ignore the fact that CBS has 4 or 5 other Trek projects lined up to be broadcast in the next couple of years, it really takes away any credence to their statements.

No it doesn't. All it shows is a commitment on CBS' part to support Trek in general, plus it provides an insurance policy rather than putting all its eggs in the DSC basket.

Remember when the rumors were that CBS was going to make Discovery an anthology show? Now they're getting that variety through multiple shows rather than per-episode or per-season anthology. It's a smart move and the sooner that the slate is more diverse the sooner fans should be able to align themselves to what best suits them (assuming it all doesn't wind up homogenously Kelviny like Discovery).

Until that happens you will have disaffected fans trying to steer people towards Orville or just whining and hate-watching.

Broadcast company's DO NOT continue to toss large sums of money at projects that are not making them a significant return.

We don't know how these other Trek projects will fare yet. It's a calculated risk.

BTW, the chaos behind the scenes is a matter of record and I remember when Fuller left fans here pooh poohed the idea there was any acrimony when in fact there absolutely was. Not that projects can't be successful despite said drama, but the drama is there.

 

[Rahul]

I wonder how that would have gone over, given the backlash against Abrams?

Sorry, I think I got the two mixed that up:
I think Vulcan was supposed to be leaving the Federation or something. (And later in the series, when Betazed was overrun by the Dominion, that was at first supposed to be Vulcan, but tjhat's something different). And it was Bajor they were playing with to blow up!
Obviously these thoughts never went anywhere, and probably where only some balls-to-the-walls what-ifs they discussed in the writers room - they never even made an outline for any of these events.

But my personal pet theory is that they were intended to scare Rick Berman (whom the DS9-writers needed to ask permission for any major changes to the status quo), so that when they actually suggested "war with the klingons", that seemed like a smaller step he would agree to. Whereas if they'd come directly with that to him, he might have shot that down at first.

 

[ELURIA]

Precisely. There's true influential power there, even if it's only minor. And they wield it like a bunch of completely manipulative, irresponsible a-holes.

That bothers me.

No, it doesn't. What irks you is that there are Star Trek fans who don't drink the CBS/Alex Kurtzman/Akiva Goldsman corporate crap like it's lemonade. To suggest people who criticise Star Trek are somehow "irresponsible" is nonsense

 

[ELURIA]

People who wish to be dismissive of DSC and its fans use STD as an insult

That's some nice generalising on your part there. In MY case, I say "STD" because I want to

 

[Vger23]

No, it doesn't. What irks you is that there are Star Trek fans who don't drink the CBS/Alex Kurtzman/Akiva Goldsman corporate crap like it's lemonade. To suggest people who criticise Star Trek are somehow "irresponsible" is nonsense

That's not at all what irks me. Criticism is very different from fabricating lies and passing it off as news.

One is a perfectly normal, human reaction. The other is irresponsible and intentionally misleading.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

That's some nice generalising on your part there. In MY case, I say "STD" because I want to

This is just the reality. It was picked up and spread by the haters, and used most heavily by them. We all know it is not STD it does not match the pattern used in any Trek show, ever. If you do not wish to be lumped in with the others, maybe you should stop using a term they spread because of its derogatory nature.

 

[Terok Nor]

This is just the reality. It was picked up and spread by the haters, and used most heavily by them. We all know it is not STD it does not match the pattern used in any Trek show, ever. If you do not wish to be lumped in with the others, maybe you should stop using a term they spread because of its derogatory nature.

STDs are well known to be picked up and spread.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

STDs are well known to be picked up and spread.

Thank you for making my point for me.