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Nicholas Meyer Confirms Upcoming 4K UHD Release Plans for STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN

^ And at this point, I'd pretty much settle for a remastered version of TMP:SLV alongside the theatrical cut on Blu-Ray if Paramount refuses to release the Director's Edition ever again. I think that's probably just about where we're at now, barring the sales figures on the new Khan Blu-Ray changing their minds.
 
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I agree. If the only way we get the Spock crying scene, etc. is the SLV---I'll take it. I prefer the DC but I'll take the SLV if I have to.
 
However, on many broadcasts during the '80s of the extended ABC Television version (including my own local affiliate's), those two lines of dialogue were completely missing during the ladder-climb anyhow.

I have a copy of the ABC version on my hard drive, and those two lines ARE there. The whole scene would be completely pointless without them!

^ Just wanted add, for those of you talking about canceling your orders over a mere trifle of an audio-adjustment, Paramount will be undoubtedly watching the sales of this BD very, very closely, and will be basing decisions about future Trek feature-film HD remasters around how well this release does. This one Blu-Ray's sales success or failure could very well spell out the future of the entire (pre-J.J. Abrams) movie franchise on home video.

I have been buying the same movies over and over again, because I wanted them. I will not buy something I do not want just because of some faint hope that maybe someday they will get all the movies right. They never will!

So if you're wanting to eventually see the Director's Edition of TMP

I hope this abomination will be buried once and for all. I'm waiting for the SLV ... until then, I'm happy with the theatrical cut on BD.

(and the extended cut of The Undiscovered Country, plus better transfers of the other seven movies) on Blu-Ray disc (plus 4K versions), supporting this release is absolutely critical.

I'm sure they would mess up TUC as well ... just as with TWOK, I have an iTunes copy of the DC which doesn't look bad at all. If only it hadn't those idiodic flashbacks added to the interrogation scene!

As for 4K ... I couldn't care less. I will never buy a screen that's big enough to notice any difference between HD and Ultra HD.
 
I have a copy of the ABC version on my hard drive, and those two lines ARE there. The whole scene would be completely pointless without them!

Well, it does show that the turbolifts aren't operational, like Spock reports when Kirk comes aboard.
 
I have a copy of the ABC version on my hard drive, and those two lines ARE there. The whole scene would be completely pointless without them!
Note that I said "many" broadcasts, there -- my two taped copies from the '80s are completely missing those lines. Evidently some versions featured a different dialogue/music mix.

I have been buying the same movies over and over again, because I wanted them. I will not buy something I do not want just because of some faint hope that maybe someday they will get all the movies right. They never will!
But really, when you think about it, in a sense, what is truly "right" and what is "wrong" here? Nicholas Meyer clearly prefers that scene without the dialogue, and as I mentioned above, some of the ABC broadcasts were missing it, as well. It's obviously his preferred version, which at least from a strict filmmaker-standpoint makes it the "right" version.

Of course, your own personal mileage may vary (we all have our personally-preferred editions, with this or that alteration present), but at least Meyer is finally getting what he wants out of it all, which is something to be cheered.

I hope this abomination will be buried once and for all. I'm waiting for the SLV ... until then, I'm happy with the theatrical cut on BD.
I'm hoping for an "Ultimate Edition" containing all three versions, but it probably looks more like we might eventually get the SLV as opposed to the DE, since the SLV wouldn't require any additional money for enhanced VFX work. Penny-pinching Paramount would probably go this route, knowing their past history.

But any other version is better than the theatrical cut (strictly IMO) -- there's way too much meat missing from the bones in that version for me to enjoy it properly, especially having grown up with the SLV. Every time there's a skip in missing footage in that version, I get this weird sense of cinematic "phantom-limb" syndrome.
 
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But really, when you think about it, in a sense, what is truly "right" and what is "wrong" here? Nicholas Meyer clearly prefers that scene without the dialogue, and as I mentioned above, some of the ABC broadcasts were missing it, as well. It's obviously his preferred version, which at least from a strict filmmaker-standpoint makes it the "right" version.

To be honest, I don't care what Nicholas Meyer prefers in this day and time ... no director should be given the chance to fiddle around with his movie some twenty years later, see Robert Wise and his so called DE of TMP. Nicholas Meyer had already ruined TUC with those flashbacks during the interrogation scene, that should have been reason enough to keep him as far away from TWOK as possible, except for the colour timing issue.

Of course, your own personal mileage may vary (we all have our personally-preferred editions, with this or that alteration present), but at least Meyer is finally getting what he wants out of it all, which is something to be cheered.

I see no reason to cheer ... give any old grumpy director the chance to alter their movies to their liking, and almost all the classic movies we love would be changed beyond recognition.

I'm hoping for an "Ultimate Edition" containing all three versions, but it probably looks more like we might eventually get the SLV as opposed to the DE, since the SLV wouldn't require any additional money for enhanced VFX work. Penny-pinching Paramount would probably go this route, knowing their past history.

I'd settle for an edition that contains all three versions, als long as I can ignore the DE. The SLV is what I truly want!
 
To be honest, I don't care what Nicholas Meyer prefers in this day and time ... no director should be given the chance to fiddle around with his movie some twenty years later, see Robert Wise and his so called DE of TMP. Nicholas Meyer had already ruined TUC with those flashbacks during the interrogation scene, that should have been reason enough to keep him as far away from TWOK as possible, except for the colour timing issue.
However, so long as all major versions are included, any given filmmaker can tinker and doodle as much as they want, as far as I'm concerned. And really, I hardly think the inclusion of those quick, 2-second shots truly "ruined" The Undiscovered Country. We shouldn't overstate things, here.

I see no reason to cheer ... give any old grumpy director the chance to alter their movies to their liking, and almost all the classic movies we love would be changed beyond recognition.
Again, as long as all versions are made available to the consumer (although I admit that it's unlikely that the extended, pre-2004 Director's Cut of TUC will probably ever be made available again, without flashback-shots and alternate aspect-ratio), everybody wins, consumer and director alike.

The relevant phrase being "his movie". That gives the director the right to do whatever he wants with it.
This, basically. As the primary auteurist creative force behind the film, that pretty much gives Meyer the major moral authority to make whatever changes he sees fit, even years after the fact, if he chooses. Without him, there'd be no Wrath of Khan as we know it (or, indeed, pretty much post-TMP Star Trek as we know it) at all.

I'd settle for an edition that contains all three versions, als long as I can ignore the DE. The SLV is what I truly want!
Agreed -- I'd love it if all three versions were released, too, especially for historical comparison-purposes and such.
 
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To be honest, I don't care what Nicholas Meyer prefers in this day and time ... no director should be given the chance to fiddle around with his movie some twenty years later, see Robert Wise and his so called DE of TMP. Nicholas Meyer had already ruined TUC with those flashbacks during the interrogation scene, that should have been reason enough to keep him as far away from TWOK as possible, except for the colour timing issue.

I'm pretty sure the flashbacks during the interrogation scene were scripted, but not implemented in the theatrical cut. So, it was the original intention.

I see no reason to cheer ... give any old grumpy director the chance to alter their movies to their liking, and almost all the classic movies we love would be changed beyond recognition.

So I guess David Lean should never have gotten to put back in all the pesky scenes he was forced to cut from Lawrence of Arabia? And all the acclaim the restored version got in 1989 was much ado about nothing?

Was Ridley Scott wrong for adding the missing 45 minutes of story back into Kingdom of Heaven that clarified just about every character and motivation in the film?

Frankly, these "grumpy old directors," as you call them, spend years of their lives working on these movies, and I don't think some anonymous fan on the internet just spending a couple hours watching them has the power to say these directors aren't allowed to work on their movies any more because they say so.
 
Thanks to those posting up reviews! I own all the DC's on DVD except Khan (gave it away to a family member for Christmas one year) and I grew up watching the ABC version on VHS so the non-DC's always seemed off to me without any mention of Preston being Scotty's nephew, so I've been wanting to order this but was pretty wary considering the negative reviews of the 2009 blue rays. These have set my mind to ease, and I'll be placing my amazon order today!
 
Good to know, I just cancelled my order. I wanted a good transfer, not a movie that has been unnecessarily fiddled around with! That new transfer almost made me order the full set of those shiny new steel books, but now I'll stick to my old BluRays and the iTunes version of the TWOK DC instead.

Did you know the 2009 Blu-Ray version was fiddled with as well? The shot where Spock gives Kirk the book, they digitally touched up the stairs so they didn't look damaged.

You're not safe with that one either.

It isn't like that in the new version though, they're damaged again.
 
I'm pretty sure the flashbacks during the interrogation scene were scripted, but not implemented in the theatrical cut. So, it was the original intention.
You're absolutely 100 percent correct, here -- I just pulled out my copy of the screenplay (revised final draft, dated 2/91), and there they are, right there on the page (actually, with spoken dialogue included as well, which we don't hear in the 2004 Director's Cut edition):

Star Trek VI Screenplay said:
SPOCK
Perhaps neither of us was hearing
very well that night, Lieutenant.
There were things I tried to tell
you too - about having faith.

LT. VALERIS
You've betrayed the Federation -
all of you.

BONES
What do you think YOU'VE been
doing?

LT. VALERIS
Saving Starfleet. Klingons can't
be trusted, sir, you said so
yourself. They killed your son.
They conspired with us to
assassinate their own Chancellor.
How trustworthy can they be?

KIRK
(quietly)
Who is "US?"

LT. VALERIS
Everyone who stands to lose from peace.

KIRK
Starfleet will be around long
enough for me to convene a Court
Martial on this ship, Lieutenant.
Win, lose or draw, it will be on
your record.

Long pause.

LT. VALERIS
Admiral Cartwright.

137G QUICK FLASHBACK (TO SCENE 23) 137G

ADMIRAL CARTWRIGHT
... to offer Klingons a safe
haven within Federation space is
suicide.

137H BACK TO SCENE 137H

CHEKOV
From Starfleet?

KIRK
Who else?

LT. VALERIS
General Chang -

137J QUICK FLASHBACK (TO SCENE 43) 137J

CHANG
... In space, all warriors are cold
warriors...

137K BACK TO SCENE 137K

UHURA
Gorkon's own man??

KIRK
Who else?

LT. VALERIS
The Romulan Ambassador - Naclus...

137L QUICK FLASHBACK (TO SCENE 63) 137L

NACLUS
Mr. President, they ARE vulnerable.

137M BACK TO SCENE 137M

Spock stares at her.

SCOTTY
-- This is incredible --

KIRK
WHO ELSE...?
For some reason, this draft has Valeris giving up the names voluntarily, which means that the forced Spock mind-meld was probably devised even later during the shooting process.
 
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They're also present in the final shooting script (revised 5th draft):
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I'm not shocked to see those lines get cut, they were both delivered flat as hell.
Agreed. Spock actually sounds like he's mocking Kirk and rolling his eyes as he says "Fascinating." I could see Spock taking that tone with McCoy, but never with Kirk.

For whatever reason, they changed the character to Cartwright during production, just like they had to do the same with Valeris.
Probably dependent upon them getting Brock Peters back to play the role. I'm glad they did. Having an Admiral that we'd previously seen in a positive light gave the revelation a lot more bite than it being somebody we'd only met an hour and a half ago.

Oh, Saavik. I'm so glad you were spared.
I used to feel this way, but I now I regret that they couldn't get Kirstie Alley back to reprise Saavik. Like with the Admiral Cartwright thing above, it would've had a lot more bite and been a LOT more surprising. And the whole "A lie? / An Error / A Choice" refrain would've been a nice callback to TWOK's "You lied. / I exaggerated." exchange.

Not that Kim Cattrall didn't do a great job as Valeris, but it was absurdly easy to guess that she was part of the conspiracy. With Saavik, it would have been, "WHAAAAAAAATTT?!?" :eek:
 
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I used to feel this way, but I now I regret that they couldn't get Kirstie Alley back to reprise Saavik. Like with the Admiral Cartwright thing above, it would've had a lot more bite and been a LOT more surprising. And the whole "A lie? / An Error / A Choice" refrain would've been a nice callback to TWOK's "You lied. / I exaggerated." exchange.
For something of a series finale, It would have been too much. Saavik as a character was a breath of fresh air when she appeared in TWOK and it didn't feel shoe horned in at all. She was capable and smart when matched with the original crew while still leaving some areas that we could have been further developed.

And on a more personal note, Star Trek didn't need to screw over another female character. I know Valeris falls under that as well. But unlike Valeris, I still want to see more of Saavik. If STVI ended with Saavik being the traitor, that would have been the end of it.
 
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