NFL Talk - 2010-11 Season
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The only alternative was a pass against the best pass rushing front four in football with an inexperienced quarterback -- from the one yard line. I'd say that under the circumstances, a handoff to a running back was the safest call possible. The real problem was the Broncos' inability to execute which, if a pass had been called, would very likely have resulted in six points for the Raiders instead of just two. As a Raiders fan, I would have LOVED to see the Broncos try to throw in that situation.
I guess the media wanted to make sure they were there for his (possible) last postgame interview, but haven't they done that like eight or nine times already?ETA: Oh, come on, ESPN. The Bears just crushed the Vikings and clinched the NFC North, but who do the cameras follow in the post-game mingle? Brett Favre!
And why was Favre even starting anyway? The cynic in me thinks it was Favre's idea- just to add to his record of number of stadiums he's started an NFL game in. The Vikes were out of playoff contention- why not start Joe Webb and see what he's made of? Granted, Webb struggled when he did get in, but perhaps he would have been in a better frame of mind had he not been benched at the last moment in favor of Favre. All that move did was make me wonder if Leslie Fraizer is even head coach material. Not exactly forward thinking to start a 40+ year old QB when nothing's on the line.
And why did the Vikes kick off and punt right to Devin Hester?
I've been forced to try to root for the Vikings for the last two games- I don't know how my friends do it every week.
For what it's worth, I don't think Webb did THAT bad considering the circumstances. The guy probably doesn't get a whole lot of reps in practice considering he's the third stringer but IMO he showed that he has some athleticism and can be a decent QB if given the chance.
Favre, OTOH, has to be the dumbest SOB on the planet. There's competitive spirit and there's stupidity, and it's pretty obvious he falls on the wrong side of the line that delineates the two. He's beat up as fuck, playing on an icy field against a strong Bears defense looking to redeem itself for the New England debacle the week before, and he thinks he can make a difference by inserting himself as the starter at the very last minute? It's obvious who runs the show in Minnesota and it's not coach Frazier. I hope Favre recovers from tonight's concussion and the other injuries he's nursing, but I was glad to see the Bears pound him into the ground. Maybe that will knock some sense into him so he stops inserting himself into situations that clearly aren't good for him or his team.
Favre, OTOH, has to be the dumbest SOB on the planet. There's competitive spirit and there's stupidity, and it's pretty obvious he falls on the wrong side of the line that delineates the two. He's beat up as fuck, playing on an icy field against a strong Bears defense looking to redeem itself for the New England debacle the week before, and he thinks he can make a difference by inserting himself as the starter at the very last minute? It's obvious who runs the show in Minnesota and it's not coach Frazier. I hope Favre recovers from tonight's concussion and the other injuries he's nursing, but I was glad to see the Bears pound him into the ground. Maybe that will knock some sense into him so he stops inserting himself into situations that clearly aren't good for him or his team.
Might be the first time all season they lived up to that ^
Also the first time they really beat a team they should have, the way they should have.Favre tarnished his reputation a little more every year since he retired the first time. Still HOF material, but he should've stayed gone.
And way more than Jordan did, coming back with the Wizards.
If the coaching staff pulled their heads out of their asses and added a short pass to the things Tebow was allowed to do, I absolutely would have trusted a pass over a run. If we were running ok or at least making it back to the line, it would be one thing. But at that stage, all the runs had started consistently going backwards. Worst case scenario, Tebow gets sacked for a safety..... but at least that would have had a shot at working.
I'd say that under the circumstances, a handoff to a running back was the safest call possible. The real problem was the Broncos' inability to execute which, if a pass had been called, would very likely have resulted in six points for the Raiders instead of just two. As a Raiders fan, I would have LOVED to see the Broncos try to throw in that situation.
Right, any play the Broncos had run that involved having their rookie quarterback in his own end zone with the football against the Raiders' defensive line, I consider a win. I figure the chances of the rook fumbling or throwing a pick in that situation are greater than the down side involved with giving the ball to a more experienced player. Your coaches were smartly playing the percentages, darn it.If the coaching staff pulled their heads out of their asses and added a short pass to the things Tebow was allowed to do, I absolutely would have trusted a pass over a run. If we were running ok or at least making it back to the line, it would be one thing. But at that stage, all the runs had started consistently going backwards. Worst case scenario, Tebow gets sacked for a safety..... but at least that would have had a shot at working.
I'd say that under the circumstances, a handoff to a running back was the safest call possible. The real problem was the Broncos' inability to execute which, if a pass had been called, would very likely have resulted in six points for the Raiders instead of just two. As a Raiders fan, I would have LOVED to see the Broncos try to throw in that situation.
I loved that they had to shoot the Metrodome roof the other day (took out a panel with a shotgun blast to prevent it from further damage). If being forced to shoot your own stadium isn't a clear indication the stadium sucks, I don't know what is. Considering how the Vikings season has gone, it's kind of a fitting gesture as well.
Hahaha, what's up with that Rex Ryan foot fetish thing? 
I don't know exactly why that's so funny, but it certainly is imo, maybe cause Ryan is such an obnoxious fat douchebag (and I say that as someone who kind of likes the Jets).
I don't know exactly why that's so funny, but it certainly is imo, maybe cause Ryan is such an obnoxious fat douchebag (and I say that as someone who kind of likes the Jets).
Right, any play the Broncos had run that involved having their rookie quarterback in his own end zone with the football against the Raiders' defensive line, I consider a win. I figure the chances of the rook fumbling or throwing a pick in that situation are greater than the down side involved with giving the ball to a more experienced player. Your coaches were smartly playing the percentages, darn it.If the coaching staff pulled their heads out of their asses and added a short pass to the things Tebow was allowed to do, I absolutely would have trusted a pass over a run. If we were running ok or at least making it back to the line, it would be one thing. But at that stage, all the runs had started consistently going backwards. Worst case scenario, Tebow gets sacked for a safety..... but at least that would have had a shot at working.
I'd say that under the circumstances, a handoff to a running back was the safest call possible. The real problem was the Broncos' inability to execute which, if a pass had been called, would very likely have resulted in six points for the Raiders instead of just two. As a Raiders fan, I would have LOVED to see the Broncos try to throw in that situation.
And that's called playing not to lose. I didn't know Marty Schottenheimer posted here.
An interesting oddity regarding playoff clinching in the NFC West:
This Sunday, there's an early game between SF and St. Louis, and then a late game between Seattle and Tampa Bay. If St. Louis wins the early game, then Seattle might as well rest its starters in their game against Tampa, because it'll be a meaningless contest from their perspective:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/hawkfan/archives/232560.asp
St. Louis beating SF would knock SF out of the NFC West race, and set up the season finale game between Seattle and St. Louis as the deciding game for the division regardless of what happens between Seattle and Tampa. It's pretty rare for a team to face a meaningless game (from a playoff perspective) in Week 16, but then a meaningful game in Week 17, but yes, that might well happen for Seattle.
This Sunday, there's an early game between SF and St. Louis, and then a late game between Seattle and Tampa Bay. If St. Louis wins the early game, then Seattle might as well rest its starters in their game against Tampa, because it'll be a meaningless contest from their perspective:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/hawkfan/archives/232560.asp
St. Louis beating SF would knock SF out of the NFC West race, and set up the season finale game between Seattle and St. Louis as the deciding game for the division regardless of what happens between Seattle and Tampa. It's pretty rare for a team to face a meaningless game (from a playoff perspective) in Week 16, but then a meaningful game in Week 17, but yes, that might well happen for Seattle.
They need to put it out of it's (and everyone else's) misery.
Humpdome - Rest In Pieces
Yes, I know it sounds all macho and cool to ALWAYS go for the jugular, but in football there are times in individual games when making the percentage call is appropriate, thus the judicious use of the "punt" and the "field goal" -- and sometimes, the handoff to a running back while in your own end zone, playing a rookie quarterback in his first start on the road against one of the best front fours in the NFL.
BTW, I'm FAR from a Marty Schottenheimer fan, but sometimes he got it right. That's why he won so many regular season games, which is what the Broncos and Raiders were involved in. Marty just didn't understand that his native style of play which was fine for the regular season, didn't work in the playoffs.
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Surely they'll let him go wild on Sunday. It's what I want to see anyway. You can't disprove the doubters with handoffs up the middle.
My point is you need to find out what he's made of, and if he can handle adversity, how he might react to a pick, etc. And it's better to find that out now in a game which amounts to (for the Broncos) a pre-preseason 2011 game, than it would be next year with something potentially meaningful on the line.
There's a difference between going for the jugular and making the smart call. If you want to talk about "playing the percentages", running was not working, period. It reached a point in that game where the run was pretty much guarenteed to fail, and where reaching the line of scrimmage was a successful run. Tebow, while not spectacular, wasn't really making that many mistakes and he only got sacked twice that day. Do you honestly feel safer making the play call that's doomed to fail rather than the play call that's dependant on the rookie QB continuing to not make major mistakes?Yes, I know it sounds all macho and cool to ALWAYS go for the jugular, but in football there are times in individual games when making the percentage call is appropriate, thus the judicious use of the "punt" and the "field goal" -- and sometimes, the handoff to a running back while in your own end zone, playing a rookie quarterback in his first start on the road against one of the best front fours in the NFL.
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