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News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

I think she might end up being the best to come out of the Arrowverse ever. Everything they've presented so far has been pretty spot-on - from casting Rose to the suit. It seems like they've really learned from their mistakes and have focused on including the bits and pieces from other shows they know work.
 
JD said:
I've been wondering about that. Back when they announced Black Lightning the head of The CW said they weren't going to have more than 5 Arrowverse shows at one time, so I was a bit surprised when they announced Batwoman.
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That was before they added Sundays to their programming, there's more room on the schedule to fill now. ;)
 
Okay... Here's a piece on CBR saying that Gotham turned down the Arrowverse producers' request to use their Bat-Signal in "Elseworlds." As someone who doesn't watch Gotham, I have to ask -- how do they have a Bat-Signal when Batman doesn't exist yet?
 
CorporalClegg said:
I think it's inevitable that it'll be picked up.

I think the thing that remains to be seen is whether or not it simply gets added to the roster or becomes a replacement for Arrow.
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Given who they hired to direct, I would venture that's the most likely scenario
As I and others have said earlier in the thread, given they can't follow the original 'Crisis' story line of Flash and Supergirl dying; they need two others to fill that role, and it seems Green Arrow (which will be in Season 8) and Superman (who lies to tell Kara how much better of a hero she is than him at every turn) seem to be the likely victims here should they keep that plot line for their version of 'Crisis'
 
Noname Given said:
Given who they hired to direct, I would venture that's the most likely scenario
As I and others have said earlier in the thread, given they can't follow the original 'Crisis' story line of Flash and Supergirl dying; they need two others to fill that role, and it seems Green Arrow (which will be in Season 8) and Superman (who lies to tell Kara how much better of a hero she is than him at every turn) seem to be the likely victims here should they keep that plot line for their version of 'Crisis'
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There's no need for them to do that, though.
Elseworlds already addressed the whole "Flash and Supergirl dying" thing by having Oliver make a deal with the Monitor to change their fate so that they didn't die. So it's already established that the Arrowverse Crisis will unfold a different way than in the comics because of the change to reality. It's the same thing The Flash did when they said Cicada had been the guy he was in the comics on every other Earth, but was a different guy on Earth-1 because Nora changed history. That way, they get to nod to the comics continuity without being constrained by it. Changing the timeline frees them to tell their own story.

Besides, Ollie dying in CoIE doesn't make sense, since presumably it'd be in December as usual and there'd still be 2/3 of an Arrow season left, assuming the show is renewed for next year.
 
Christopher said:
So maybe the mention of a Gotham Bat-Signal is a spoiler for season 5?
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Not really since we already know Bruce will be Batman by the end of the season. This is the final season, and the tagline their using is "The Dark Knight is coming". The pre-Batsignal spotlight actually made another appearance in last night's premiere, and they even had big speech about it giving people hope.
 
JD said:
Not really since we already know Bruce will be Batman by the end of the season.
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Well, duh, obviously, but we're not talking about the end of the season, we're talking about whether or not there was an actual Bat-Signal available at the time "Elseworlds" was being made. So I was wondering if such a thing was going to be introduced toward the beginning of the season, which would be a spoiler if it were revealed in advance.
 
I see what you're saying now.
They did start the season with a flashforward one year ahead of main part of the episodes, so maybe the bat signal was going to be for another flashforward?
 
JD said:
I've been wondering about that. Back when they announced Black Lightning the head of The CW said they weren't going to have more than 5 Arrowverse shows at one time, so I was a bit surprised when they announced Batwoman.
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The jury's still out on whether or not Black Lightning is an Arrowverse show, though it's never been denied by the powers that be and has been the source of much debate and conjecture on these boards based on what's been said and by whom. But COIE would be the perfect way to fold that show into the rest of the franchise.

Christopher said:
There's no need for them to do that, though.
Elseworlds already addressed the whole "Flash and Supergirl dying" thing by having Oliver make a deal with the Monitor to change their fate so that they didn't die. So it's already established that the Arrowverse Crisis will unfold a different way than in the comics because of the change to reality. It's the same thing The Flash did when they said Cicada had been the guy he was in the comics on every other Earth, but was a different guy on Earth-1 because Nora changed history. That way, they get to nod to the comics continuity without being constrained by it. Changing the timeline frees them to tell their own story.

Besides, Ollie dying in CoIE doesn't make sense, since presumably it'd be in December as usual and there'd still be 2/3 of an Arrow season left, assuming the show is renewed for next year.
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The title card at the end of Supergirl indicated Fall (Autumn) 2019 which could of course mean (late) November like Invasion and Crisis on Earth X, but I can't help but wonder, irrespective of whether or not they choose to merge any Earths, that they'll use COIE to do some 'house cleaning' just like DC tried to do with the comics. And if so I personally think that COIE will kick off the new seasons, maybe even Batwoman if it goes to series and debuts in September/October like the others. I've got no evidence for this of course, it's just my conjecture based on the potential COIE has for change and their stating its coming when it is. Plus, for the three shows involved in this year's crossover, it was their mid-season finale. Usually there's an episode or two before the break.
Last week, when I was off over the Christmas holiday, I read the 1998 TPB edition of Crisis on Infinite Earths in a single sitting. Well I did stop for lunch and toilet breaks of course, but you get the idea. Anyway one of the things that I saw at the end of issue 12 was a newspaper being read by the female Wildcat, introduced in COIE (I suspect a member of the JSA) and the headline read 'Green Arrow Among Dead' obviously referring to the Earth-2 GA, but still I could imagine when the Arrowverse COIE concludes the newspaper headline in Thawne's vault at Star Labs changing from 'Flash Missing' to that one.
 
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N-121973 said:
And if so I personally think that COIE will kick off the new seasons, maybe even Batwoman if it goes to series and debuts in September/October like the others.
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Well, The Flash got a formal pilot order in late January 2014 and premiered in early October 2014, so it's possible.


Last week, when I was off over the Christmas holiday, I read the 1998 TPB edition of Crisis on Infinite Earths in a single sitting.
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I read it once, and I found it pretty much incoherent. I suppose it's like Avengers: Infinity War -- it's the culmination of a lot of different series leading up to it, so if you only experienced it in isolation, it'd be very hard to follow. Although at least A:IW felt like a cohesive narrative without a lot of massive story jumps.


Anyway one of the things that I saw at the end of issue 12 was a newspaper being read by the female Wildcat, introduced in COIE (I suspect a member of the JSA) and the headline read 'Green Arrow Among Dead' obviously referring to the Earth-2 GA, but still I could imagine when the Arrowverse COIE concludes the newspaper headline in Thawne's vault at Star Labs changing from 'Flash Missing' to that one.
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I doubt this adaptation will be any more slavish to the specific story beats of the original than any previous adaptation. The Arrowverse, like the MCU, tends to use just the broad strokes and do their own version of the story. Indeed, doing it differently is a good way to keep things fresh and surprising for the viewers who know the original.
 
CW posted this on their Instagram.

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N-121973 said:
The jury's still out on whether or not Black Lightning is an Arrowverse show, though it's never been denied by the powers that be and has been the source of much debate and conjecture on these boards based on what's been said and by whom.
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DigificWriter said:
This is incorrect. The Akils have flat-out said that Black Lightning is its own thing, and that they have zero desire to make it connected to anything else.
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True, and aside from the presentation / handling of Black Lightning being completely different than any Arroverse show to the point where no one would ever think they are related, the series is clearly set in the real world, with numerous references to real U.S. Presidents, history and cultural markers never seen or mentioned in Arrowverse series.
 
Ovation said:
Way to miss the point.
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Actually it's a valid point as the Villain doing this was a male to begin with;so no I didn't see an issue with him remaking himself into the male hero he saw as the strongest one.

To me, effectively that Instagram pic is asking - "What, are you afraid to be Transgender?"

(Sorry, that's how it came across to me.)
 
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