News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman
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I am not sure if anyone else made this connection. One of Jeri Ryan’s earliest acting roles was in “Deadly Nightshade” an episode 1990 the Flash series. She played Felicia Kane. The daughter of a very rich man who is kidnapped for ransom. Much later she played Jessica Danforth in an episode of Arrow. A Queen family friend who was considering running for Mayor of Star City.
Based on what we know that doppelgängers can have different names on alternate Earths it’s reasonable that Jessica Danforth is a doppelgänger of Felicia Kane. Given Danforth ‘s friendship with the Queen family it’s likely she was from a wealthy family herself. Just like Felicia. Not hard to imagine a rich father having alternate marriages, divorces, custody battles, name changes, etc, etc.
Based on what we know that doppelgängers can have different names on alternate Earths it’s reasonable that Jessica Danforth is a doppelgänger of Felicia Kane. Given Danforth ‘s friendship with the Queen family it’s likely she was from a wealthy family herself. Just like Felicia. Not hard to imagine a rich father having alternate marriages, divorces, custody battles, name changes, etc, etc.
Anyway, if Shipp's Barry Allen is still active as the Flash, that probably rules out my pet theory that the '90 Flash series takes place in the DC Animated Universe and that Barry handed over the Flash mantle to Wally West sometime in the interim. I was partial to that theory because they shared a similar half-modern, half-retro aesthetic (with '40s cars and Art Deco architecture coexisting with modern technology) and both had Shirley Walker as composer (with the Walker Flash action motif being used for the animated Flash in Superman: TAS: "Speed Demons," though that Flash was probably Wally), and because the Mark Hamill Trickster showed up in Justice League Unlimited's "Flash and Substance." But the first two points are just stylistic, and now that we know there are Hamill Tricksters on at least three Earths, that shoots down the third point.
I really love the idea of 1990 Flash still being active on his Earth, and doing a true crossover. Honestly, this is a story I would have saved for Flash alone, and not the annual crossover story. But no reason they can't do that anyway after the crossover.
They spent a lot of time and money recreating the suit. It’s unlikely the went to the trouble for a single appearance. It exists now they can reuse it whenever they like.
It’s worth looking at John Wesley Shipp’s Instagram posts since this news leaked. There are pictures of him with team that recreated the suit. Plus a surviving copy from the original show. It was sent from Warner’s Archives as a reference. It’s very brittle and surgical gloves need wore when touching it.
It's kind of exciting--if it really is what we hope it to be and not something less like Jay Garrick in a Flash suit.
The idea of the ACTUAL Barry Allen from THAT show, in a true sequel, would be AMAZING. You can get Tina McGee back and see where he would be. Would Shipp's Barry still be would her, or would he have reunited with his own Iris? Is there a Wally in that world? Did he disappear saving the world? If he did, could his return BE the story?
Even better, a future story where Gustin's Barry visits the 90s Flash's world. Maybe they team up to battle a common villain?
Younger Barry learns a thing or two from the elder Barry?
Was he? I don't remember that. Even if he was, that can be explained in universe too (the old, "the Batman writer was somehow psychically connected to the Earth he was writing about" gag).
Well, there was an in-joke where Barry walked by Superman and Batman movie posters, but that sort of throwaway isn't necessarily binding on continuity. Episode 2 of Static Shock referred to Superman/Clark Kent as a fictional character, but starting with the second season, Static Shock was integrated into the DC Animated Universe, and Superman eventually appeared on SS as a real person. There was also a Superman: The Animated Series where Lois Lane said "I'm not Wonder Woman" years before Wonder Woman left Themiscyra at the start of Justice League.
Heck, the current Flash series ignored its own first-season throwaway reference to Ralph Dibny dying in the accelerator explosion, although they recently put in an Easter egg line winking to it as an alternate timeline (it was pre-Flashpoint, after all).
Besides -- just because there are movies about Superman and Batman in Barry '90's world, that doesn't mean they're fictional. The movies could be based on actual events. Although the '90 show was the kind of superhero adaptation that was typical pre-millennium, in which the hero was portrayed as unique and unprecedented rather than just one of a larger breed. It did reveal that Nightshade had fought crime in the previous generation, but without superpowers.
I remembered Barry walking past a cinema showing the film and looked it up online. Apparently the episode 'Child's Play' saw him walking past a cinema showing Batman '89 & Superman the Movie as a double feature. I wish I could find a screen shot.
Oh, I remember it well. There's also a bit in "Watching the Detectives" where Barry first meets his future love interest, reporter Megan Lockhart, at a crime scene and sarcastically refers to her as Lois Lane -- which could be a reference to either a fictional character or a famous real-world reporter.
Not sure but on the Earth for Lois & Clark she was Lex Luthor’s doctor - Gretchen Kelly
Does that mean there's also a Commander Sela on Earth-1?
I have to admit, this crossover has the potential to knock it out of the park.
If Batman and Superman were movies in the 90 Flash, as others have pointed out, they definitely could have been based on real events. Also, I believe that even in the comics, they sell Superman merchandise and have comics based on the "real" Superman.
In fact, didn't they have a Superman comic in the final episode of Smallville?
If Batman and Superman were movies in the 90 Flash, as others have pointed out, they definitely could have been based on real events. Also, I believe that even in the comics, they sell Superman merchandise and have comics based on the "real" Superman.
In fact, didn't they have a Superman comic in the final episode of Smallville?
I’d like to imagine Alexander Knox wrote a book about Batman and sold the film rights. Of course he had no idea who Batman really was. So it would be based on the little Knox witnessed and highly speculative.
It appears they are filming the episodes in broadcast order. Mostly. There has been complaints o line that we have not seen Batwoman on location yet. Here she is. I suspect she appears mostly in Supergirl which airs last. My guess is John Wesley Shipp as 1990 Flash is introduced on The Flash but appears on location in the second part which is Arrow,
Bats don't generally do large open spaces during daytime, so I think it's a bit premature to estimate how much of which episodes she's in based on one or two outdoor scenes they've shot so far. I do hope it's more than you're guessing
Kind of off topic--but three times now I have hoped that one of the comics reboots would just shunt pre-existing characters over to another universe only to be rediscovered later for cool crossovers. The last time I had hoped for this was in the build up to the New 52--which was the perfect opportunity to promote the bronze/silver age characters to the status of their predecessors. Do something new while still honoring the history of the comic books.
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