News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman

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  1. Dick Whitman

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    The Entertainment Weekly article identifies one of the dead heroes on Earth 90 as Vibe. Or more accurately a version of Vibe. If true it is hard to say how many of these characters are native to Earth 90. Vibe could have breached some of them from other Earths to help fight the Monitor.

    Unrelated to this but worth sharing. Here is a picture John Wesley Shipp shared of him and Sam Jones, Flash Gordon. From a convention yesterday. [​IMG]
     
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  2. Kirk Prime

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    That's a good point--if we knew of a multiverse, would we be ok with being say, Earth 18? I'd be like, "screw that, we're Earth 1. Suck it."
     
  3. Christopher

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    Ooh, could that be what happened to the long-absent Hawkman and Hawkgirl...?
     
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  4. Tuskin38

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    They did that in one episode.
     
  5. thribs

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    I hope it isn’t structured towards their shows, like the last one. They’re probably more likely to be all on the Blu Ray set that way.
     
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    It sounds like it is.
     
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    That was a good call. You don't happen to know the winning lottery numbers for this Wednesday's UK National Lottery?

    I agree with you. On Earth 1 they numbered them sequentially Earth 2, 3 etc, why would they do it any differently?

    It could be the opposite if Christopher's contention is correct and a whole lot of universes got destroyed. I could imagine the resolution of the story is the restoration of the full multiverse. The alternative would put a downer forever more on watching Flash 90. I wonder if there's an Earth '66, Earth '78, Earth '89, if you take my meaning. Furthermore I wonder of Earth '89 would include all four Batman films from the 80s/90s plus Lois & Clark? The impression I got from the little references was that the Batman films (at least the Schumacher ones) and L & C took place in the same universe.
     
  8. Happy Harleydays

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    Wow, they're really integrating everything in this crossover... ;)

    Flash, a-aaaaaaaaah
    Saviour of the Multiverse!


    :D
     
  9. Christopher

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    What references are you, uhh, referring to?

    Although most of the time, a cross-reference like that in fiction isn't literally saying "That show/movie is in the same universe as ours," it's just a wink and an in-joke for fun. Actual, intentional shared-universe building in superhero screen productions is pretty much a phenomenon of the past decade. (The only exceptions I can think of are the Green Hornet/Batman crossover -- though both shows had previously treated each other as mutually fictional -- and arguably the Superman film series and Supergirl, though that's more a spinoff than a crossover. There was also the abortive attempt at a revival movie crossing over the Bill Bixby Hulk with the Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man, but of course that was never made.)
     
  10. Dick Whitman

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    Starting in the 3rd season Lois & Clark episodes began to make Batman references. In the season premiere Clark mentions Gotham City. Later in the episode with Jonathan Frakes and his wife as a millionaire collectors of rare objects, one of the actual Batmoblies featured in Tim Burton’s films is briefly shown in their collection. With a brief quote of Danny Elfman’s theme.

    There are more casual references to Batman in other episodes. Without those above two could have been interpreted as mentions of fictional character. But they had already established Gotham and Batman exists and no later mentions are to him are inferred to be fictional at all.

    The 3rd season debuted the fall of 1995. The same year Batman Forever. Which had Bruce mentioned to Dick that the Circus must be half way to Metropolis when he threatens to run away. I suspect the L&C writers enjoyed that an followed. Plus both Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were filmed on WB Burbank lot when L&C. I read years ago Dean Cain and George Clooney played basketball on shared breaks in production.

    I can come up with a more specific list in a bit. On YouTube a fan created a Lois and Clark and Batman teamup trailer. Using audio from those scenes of Dean saying Batman, Gotham City. which adds much more legitimacy to it than most mock trailers do.
     
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  11. Turtletrekker

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    Didn't Clooney's Batman have a line along the lines of, "This is why Superman works alone"?
     
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    Updated second fan trailer by same guy. It’s really good work on the editing.
     
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  13. Christopher

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    Well, of course that's the version of Batman that any production from that time would reference, because it was the most recent and popular live-action version at the time. Also, toys of the movie Batmobile were probably the easiest ones for the production to come by. The OnStar Batman commercials used the car and costume from the movies, but that doesn't mean they were literally in the same universe, just that they were using the familiar imagery for effect, and that it was cheaper to recycle existing stuff than build new stuff from scratch.

    And Batman: The Animated Series used the Elfman theme too, while several distinct Superman screen continuities have used the John Williams theme. That doesn't prove a shared universe, just a shared cultural reference pool.


    You seem to be blurring two different issues -- whether a version of Batman exists in the Lois & Clark universe and whether the specific version of Batman from the movies exists in the L&C universe. I'm not questioning the former, just the latter. There are many different versions of Batman, after all.
     
  14. Dick Whitman

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    Yes he did.
     
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    I could remeber the quote but couldn't confirm it was Clooney's Batman or Kilmer's so went searching.

    a youtuber had combined it with that line from Titans and it explains it all :)
     
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    Read left to right, that poster seems consistent with the conjectural story sequence I suggested this morning.

    Anyone recognize that robot on the far left? And is Lois holding some sort of hammer?
     
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    So are The Flash and Arrow going follow the other show's main character as it's title character, or are they going to follow the title character in the other character's life? Most of the stuff I've seen has just advertised the whole event together, so I'm not clear on how the character switch is going to work in terms of which character is in which episode.
     
  19. Christopher

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    As with the other crossovers, Ollie, Barry, and Kara will be together in all three episodes. Probably the full supporting casts will only be in their own shows' episodes -- Team Flash in part 1, the ex-Team Arrow in part 2, etc.
     
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