Yeah, ST 2009 generated a lot of new interest in Star Trek. Then Into Darkness came out with something that would have confused the new fans and annoyed the older fans, in addition to goofy stuff like hiding the Enterprise underwater.
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Yeah, ST 2009 generated a lot of new interest in Star Trek. Then Into Darkness came out with something that would have confused the new fans and annoyed the older fans, in addition to goofy stuff like hiding the Enterprise underwater.
And a too long mg gap between films.
Honestly, 09 needed a lot more running after it's success to keep that sliver of attention and interest. Into Darkness wasn't it.
I thought that the 2009 film did well, but people disliked Into Darkness, and didn’t bother with Beyond for that reason?
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I had no problem with the underwater bit, but retreading Khan (and referencing TWOK) badly severely undermined Into Darkness — especially after so much noise had been made about “No, he’s not Khan, honest!” — moved the film (and by extension for some, the film series) into eyeroll territory.
Sadly. The film is strong on story and characters, reflecting great themes from Kirk and Spock and some social commentary.
Khan was a poor choice, treated like a Moriarty to the franchise when neither is the greatest foe.
The space jump was equally annoying. I eye roll more at that sequence than anything Khan related.
What about FAST streaming, like Pluto or Tubi?
Not enough money in it.
Traditional broadcast TV advertising has been losing money for decades.
I think Beyond underperformed (albeit in a way modern movies would die for) because of lack of advertising. ST'09 and ID had huge advertising, Beyond had far, far less. Somehow they thought a Rihanna song would do all the heavy lifting.
Then there’s no serious path forwards for Legacy as a tv show.
It’s be Year One as the flagship show, with United as the other show on the air.
Legacy will be a series of tv movies at best.
So very true. Although Beyond was considered a flop from a strictly financial perspective, it was still Paramount's highest grossing film for 2016. Also so very true about the lack of advertising or any promotional work for the film. They rested their laurels on having a trailer released to coincide with the release of Star Wars The Force Awakens, but otherwise there was no talk about the movie outside of Trek fandom until Anton Yelchin's accident about a month prior to release. Which begs the question, if that hadn't happened, when would the general public have been made aware of the movie?
They would trust Year One to the same people who've just sent SNW S3's ratings off a cliff?
Clown Show Trek isn't bringing in the bucks either (There's no suspense. We all know that Spock, Uhura, Scotty, and Chapel are going to be okay.)
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Legacy was never a thing.
Neither of those things will be happening.
See my first response. Also, thanks to Section 31, there will be no more tv movies.
We always know main characters are going to be okay, since it's usually announced in advance if the actors are leaving.
We knew that during TOS, too. It's never been who is going to survive, but how.
Characters only die when contracts come up or a movie needs to do something dramatic.
Exactly. WRT character death the only question was:
"How many Redshirts this week,?"
I think the most likely scenario is Academy is cancelled after season 2 and then they do that Federation President Archer series. Then we will get one more final Kelvinverse movie. By then Matalas will be all the rage over his super successful Vision series and they will beg him to come back and do the Legacy series he wanted to do.
This is the only part of your post that actually might happen. Everything else was nonsensical gibberish.
Well, I guess it's progress that you're at least accepting Academy S2 is happening, as you had previously been saying it would get cancelled after the first season despite the second being in production.
The President Archer series isn't going to happen. Nor will another Kelvin movie. And if the Vision series is a success (which I'm not holding my breath on) it more likely means the other projects Matalas is attached to will be prioritized by their studios thus making Legacy even less likelier to happen than it currently is.
If the new management decides to get hands-on, or if ratings are bad, this is a possibility. I'd be happier if the show turns out to be both good and successful, but we'll have to wait and see.
They will not do that Archer series. I can't imagine the people currently running Trek will want to use an idea that was already shot down, and the new management won't want a spinoff of the least successful Berman era show.
I'd like to see one, but frankly, I think the Kelvinverse is over. It has no momentum, it didn't go out on a big financial high, and the franchise is in a very different place now than it was in 2009 or 2016.
Matalas destroyed Picard by leaning heavily into fanwank and getting rid of continuity with previous seasons, logical storylines, believable characterization, etc. If he never does Star Trek again it'll be too soon, as far as I'm concerned. I wish him all the success in the world with his MCU endeavours, because if he does well there, Disney will want him to stay there.
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