• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

New to Who

I picked up where I had left off (Daleks In Manhattan) and I'm up to 42. Season 3 is less of a struggle than 2, probably because I prefer Martha over Rose.
 
We haven't seen any humans post the 51st century with the ability of time travel and the Time Agency was disbanded. Kovarian's storyline was also a mess, while Amy killed her in an alternate timeline, she should still exist in the regular timeline yet there's no mention of her.

K9 is from the 51st century.

I would have loved to have seen an overlap of Jack and that mass produced product.
 
If I had more money than I knew what to do with so I didn't have to work and I could pay someone to clean my house and do laundry and all the other things that take up all my free time, I'd do a relaunch of the classic series--map out all the serials and what happened when and reconcile them to each other as best I could. There's things like the multiple fates of Atlantis that could be tricky, but I think you could make a fair amount of it work together. I'd develop the costuming for humanity, so if an episode takes place in the 23rd century, they're wearing similar clothes to the last time we saw humans from the 23rd century. Things like that.

Yes, I realize that is completely crazy and it would be a waste of time and money because the BBC would never allow anything I shot to be aired, but it would amuse me. And I'd be rich enough to not care.
 
The Silence ships in 1969 seemed like a primitive TARDIS in line with the abandoned ship on Craig's roof.
 
Trenzalore came later on and had nothing to do with the earlier attempts on the Doctor's life. And really it doesn't take one Time Lord to take another down, the Master's human was able to it by herself. The Silence who destroyed the TARDIS in The Pandorica Opens was a splinter group from the originals.

Actually, it started during Trenzalore.
When the Doctor decided to stay on the Planet fighting of the armies invading, the Kovarian sect of the Silence decided to take matters into their own hands and prevent him from ever going to trenzalore in the first place. they traveled back in time to fail killing him time and time again.

Two things though, the Doctor originally died at Trenzalore and secondly in the end the Silence's fear of the Doctor destroying the universe only resulted in them doing it when the TARDIS was destroyed. And we still have no idea how they time travelled. The plotline never made any sense.

I'm pretty sure Eleven's entire era takes place in reverse, from the Silence's POV. The Church first had a problem with him at Trenzalor - that's when the siege started. Nobody was having any luck killing him once he was there. So the Kovarian Sect decided to stop him before he got there. They learned from all the other bad guys' mistakes - they never ever succeed in killing him - so they got the next best thing to another Time Lord they could.

Despite all their plans, they couldn't kill him. A lot of the universe thought they'd succeeded, but the siege was still going on at Trenzalor, so obviously they must have failed. So if they can't kill him, maybe they can destroy the Tardis so that he can never get there. Obviously he wouldn't like that idea, so they have to trap him somewhere so he can't interfere.

So they go back to Trenzalor, and pick up some of the bad guys who are already all allied against the Doctor there. They bring them back to Stonehenge, convincing them that they need to stop him to save the universe (which is kinda sorta true, in a way, but they obviously twisted the truth to their own agenda). So with the Doctor in the Pandorica, they program their assassin to blow up the Tardis. But proving just how little they understand the Tardis, end up causing exactly the problem they are trying to stop. They create the cracks in the universe, the very things that lured the Doctor to Trenzalor in the first place, that placed the universe at risk from the return of the Time Lords in the first place, that even caused the newly regenerated Eleven to land in Amelia's garden in the first place.

Backwards. The events of "The Eleventh Hour" only happened because of the events of "The Time of the Doctor".


Kovarian's storyline was also a mess, while Amy killed her in an alternate timeline, she should still exist in the regular timeline yet there's no mention of her.

Oh yeah. I never really thought about that before.


It's been said that there was enough story material in "Time of the Doctor" to have filled another entire season of the show. It's also been said (though I'm not sure how much truth there is to it) that that was actually the plan all along, that a prospective fourth full season with Eleven would have been exactly that - the Tales of Trenzalor.

If that were true, then I like to think the Kovarian loose end and quite a few others would have been tidied up in that time. But because Matt Smith chose that point to leave the role, Moffat had to squeeze all that material into one small episode, meaning that a lot of the details had to go.

Or maybe I'm giving Moffat too much credit.


I picked up where I had left off (Daleks In Manhattan) and I'm up to 42. Season 3 is less of a struggle than 2, probably because I prefer Martha over Rose.

Totally agree with that. I never really warmed to Rose, and while I think Martha is underrated, she's still not my favourite - Donna is. But I think season 3's arc is probably my favourite of all the RTD seasons.

.
 
Actually, it started during Trenzalore.
When the Doctor decided to stay on the Planet fighting of the armies invading, the Kovarian sect of the Silence decided to take matters into their own hands and prevent him from ever going to trenzalore in the first place. they traveled back in time to fail killing him time and time again.

Two things though, the Doctor originally died at Trenzalore and secondly in the end the Silence's fear of the Doctor destroying the universe only resulted in them doing it when the TARDIS was destroyed. And we still have no idea how they time travelled. The plotline never made any sense.

I'm pretty sure Eleven's entire era takes place in reverse, from the Silence's POV. The Church first had a problem with him at Trenzalor - that's when the siege started. Nobody was having any luck killing him once he was there. So the Kovarian Sect decided to stop him before he got there. They learned from all the other bad guys' mistakes - they never ever succeed in killing him - so they got the next best thing to another Time Lord they could.

Despite all their plans, they couldn't kill him. A lot of the universe thought they'd succeeded, but the siege was still going on at Trenzalor, so obviously they must have failed. So if they can't kill him, maybe they can destroy the Tardis so that he can never get there. Obviously he wouldn't like that idea, so they have to trap him somewhere so he can't interfere.

So they go back to Trenzalor, and pick up some of the bad guys who are already all allied against the Doctor there. They bring them back to Stonehenge, convincing them that they need to stop him to save the universe (which is kinda sorta true, in a way, but they obviously twisted the truth to their own agenda). So with the Doctor in the Pandorica, they program their assassin to blow up the Tardis. But proving just how little they understand the Tardis, end up causing exactly the problem they are trying to stop. They create the cracks in the universe, the very things that lured the Doctor to Trenzalor in the first place, that placed the universe at risk from the return of the Time Lords in the first place, that even caused the newly regenerated Eleven to land in Amelia's garden in the first place.

Backwards. The events of "The Eleventh Hour" only happened because of the events of "The Time of the Doctor".
.

I don't think so, Tasha Lem told the Doctor of the Silence splinter group before the siege started, he even had no idea until then that he at Trenzalore. And the Silence thought it was the Doctor it was the piloting the TARIDS when it exploded,since only Time Lords can pilot the TARDIS r so it was thought in The Pandorica Opens. In any event had the Doctor been piloting the TARDIS when it exploded he would've died so River wasn't needed as an assassin. I don't know where the idea that everything in the Smith era goes backward.

ETS: My fault, Tasha does tell the Doctor of the Kavorian sect split after the siege started, but the idea was to prevent the doctor from ever reaching Trenzalore. And yet their attempt to destroy the TARDIS caused the cracks in time and it was though a crack that the Doctor was called to Trenzalore.
 
Last edited:
Stupid The Silence. Their name should have been "The Stupid." Instead of reading about grandfather paradoxes, they got their understanding of time travel from the "Terminator" films. (And even then they missed the point--the Terminators couldn't kill John Connor's mother because John Connor clearly existed. All they managed to do was cause what they'd been trying to prevent--Kyle Reese doesn't go back in time and save Sarah Connor from a Terminator and she never bangs him in a cheap motel.
 
I'm up to Blink now. It was pretty good though I'm still confused about how the Doctor and Martha got stuck in 1969?

Congratulations!!!

You are now allowed to smirk, every time someone in real life, on tv, or on this BBS says "Timey-Whimey".

(It happens a lot more often than you would think.)

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrAYDSbQ1OI[/yt]
 
I've never heard anyone in real life say that. At least in MY real life. Nobody I know watches Doctor Who, or Star Trek or Buffy or Xena. I lead a fairly lonely existence when it comes to TV shows.
 
The destination paradox with Kovarian ("You can't change history if you are a part of it") was first used in the Jon Pertwee era story Day of the Daleks where resistance fighters from the future end up causing the disaster they wanted to prevent. Only because the Doctor is a Time Lord is he able to put history right.
 
I've never heard anyone in real life say that. At least in MY real life. Nobody I know watches Doctor Who, or Star Trek or Buffy or Xena. I lead a fairly lonely existence when it comes to TV shows.

Are you supposed to watch TV in groups when you become an adult?

When I was young you needed groups of children to pay for videos or circulate pirated material.

These days, families don't even watch TV as a group.

Dust gathering on the giant flat screen because every one is in a different room huddled to their phone.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSuHj9ReSxQ[/yt]
 
I've never heard anyone in real life say that. At least in MY real life. Nobody I know watches Doctor Who, or Star Trek or Buffy or Xena. I lead a fairly lonely existence when it comes to TV shows.

Are you supposed to watch TV in groups when you become an adult?

When I was young you needed groups of children to pay for videos or circulate pirated material.

These days, families don't even watch TV as a group.

Dust gathering on the giant flat screen because every one is in a different room huddled to their phone.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSuHj9ReSxQ[/yt]

No but it is nice to talk about characters or plot lines with people whom you're close to. All I get are weird looks, like I'm crazy.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top