New Talosians?
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I used to have that hat! My uncle was a Marine and gave me one.Sometimes, shame can be hidden with a hat:
Based on the limited negative reactions to other updates to alien makeup throughout fifty plus years of Trek? It’s not exactly a subject that needs to be taken seriously.
By request of @Hythlodeus I repost this here 
In preparing for the role of Vina, George says she watched the original performance by Susan Oliver and reveals that she actually re-recorded some of the classic dialogue from “The Cage" for the new Discovery episode. “They did put some of my voice on top of hers to kind of meld the two together,” she says. “I couldn’t recreate her acting because so much has changed the way we act today. There’s a different kind of inflection. But I wanted to watch it and pay homage to her and the way the character felt.”
People, the original series was made more than 50 years ago. A lot of things changed. If, for example, the actors were acting the way they did at the time, it would look like a parody. If they were wearing the exact same costumes, in HD it would seem a cheap Halloween party.
By the way, I think that this point made by Melissa George is relevant to the discussion.
In preparing for the role of Vina, George says she watched the original performance by Susan Oliver and reveals that she actually re-recorded some of the classic dialogue from “The Cage" for the new Discovery episode. “They did put some of my voice on top of hers to kind of meld the two together,” she says. “I couldn’t recreate her acting because so much has changed the way we act today. There’s a different kind of inflection. But I wanted to watch it and pay homage to her and the way the character felt.”
People, the original series was made more than 50 years ago. A lot of things changed. If, for example, the actors were acting the way they did at the time, it would look like a parody. If they were wearing the exact same costumes, in HD it would seem a cheap Halloween party.
IF the bajorans dont start wearing their ear-jewlery on that ear the Ro wore it on, I'm never watching star trek again...
(years later)
Ro followed the Pa Wraiths.. nevermind.
Or new to Star Trek in general. I still have no idea why TNG changed the look of Romulans, especially when it had been established that the are supposed to look just like Vulcans (being biologically the same as Vulcans). That was certainly "change for the sake of change."
But if TNG was going to change the look of Romulans, then they needed to give Vulcans ridges as well for their established common history to make sense.
I can understand TMP (and TNG following suit) changing the look Klingons "just for the sake of change" because they had access to better makeup, but if you get right down to it their reason for changing Klingons was "because we wanted Klingon makeup to look different than it did in the first series" (which is fine), not because the story called for it.
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It might have helped the acting in 'The Cage' back in the day if everyone working on the production had taken it as serious science-fiction rather than another 'Lost in Space' for a different studio. But, they had no idea what it was going to be like in the days ahead.
The acting was perfectly fine for the period.
yeah, no one took scifi serious in the 60s, good luck finding actors that would treat that material like prestige drama, serious or not. the pulp roots were still strong in people's minds.
and for what it's worth, the acting was pretty great nevertheless
and for what it's worth, the acting was pretty great nevertheless
The actors playing the Talosians stayed in character for the entire shoot.
I found that the the Fugitive holds up pretty well.
Oh we take it very seriously. It is you we don’t take seriously, Mr. Barris.
I heard they stayed in character until the DVD release.
Not going to lie: this made me feel warm and fuzzy.Oh we take it very seriously. It is you we don’t take seriously, Mr. Barris.
looking at that clip, a lot of it has to do with the inflections. And if my memory is correct, that was done in that style, because audio recording equipment at that time wasn't as good as it is now and inflecting that way made the sentences more audible (or something similar, it's been a long while since I read about that issue)
My first impression of Hunter's performance in 'The Cage'....which was actually when I saw 'The Menagerie' for the first time, when I was quite young....was, this guy doesn't want to be doing this. He doesn't take it seriously and he feels that it's beneath him.
If you delve into the history of it, that's borne out. He did not want to do Star Trek. He was contracted for the pilot plus 5 years of episodes. He was not contracted for a second pilot, so the way that all played out gave him his easy exit that he wanted. He wanted 'serious', dramatic roles. To him, Star Trek was not that....at least not enough for his wants, no matter how much we fans feel that Star Trek is dramatic.
For me, his attitude comes through and did, right from my first viewing.
YMMV
