I don't hate the new Talosian look, but I do prefer the original design. They always looked far creepier than anything that came afterwards, and the new look doesn't really capture that imo.
New Talosians?
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The inflections are mainly derived from the style of classical acting, which is a style of theatrical derivation. And in the theater the voice must be loud and clear. When many actors, who studied the Method Acting, arrived on the scene, a more "realistic" style of acting began to spread, a style that is practically the modern standard.
Susan Oliver often displayed a bit of that Transatlantic or Mid-Atlantic accent that many actors had in the past. That accent was very popular in Hollywood (and taught to actors) in the 1930s and 40s, maybe because it was an accent from nowhere. Characters speaking that way could be from anywhere.
It became less prevalent by the 1960s -- although many still used it because they were taught to use it by their older acting teachers, and it was desired by older producers and directors.
In your clip from Peyton Place above, we can hear that slight transatlantic accent in that the scene with Allison (Mia Farrow) talking to her mother (Dorothy Malone). Susan Oliver's transatlantic "accent" was similar to Mia Farrow's.
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It makes their descendants look more sporty and aero dynamic
This is something I personally do not understand. I see perfect acceptance of TOS uniforms to TMP uniforms, even though there is very little connecting the two. I see perfect acceptance of the TOS Enterprise to the TMP Enterprise even though there are clear differences in the hull and shape and such. An "upgrade" is not a sufficient reason for me.
The biggest one is the Klingons. The makeup has changed from TMP to TNG, with small and big variations between all them, from Chang to Gorkon, Azebur to B'Etor. Those are all acceptable.
But, these changes? Simply too much? I don't get it...
The biggest one is the Klingons. The makeup has changed from TMP to TNG, with small and big variations between all them, from Chang to Gorkon, Azebur to B'Etor. Those are all acceptable.
But, these changes? Simply too much? I don't get it...
You're only partially correct.
In actuality, Hunter's wife at the time (Sandy Bartlett) was who arrived at a meeting with Roddenberry and Herb Solow to discuss Jeff continuing to play Pike.
It was she that informed them that she felt the show was beneath Jeff's Talents as a movie star and he would no longer be available.
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The new makeup doesn’t bother me at all.
I kinda-sorta wish they had gone with skinnier (frail looking) actors, but the head-makeup change isn't that big a deal for me.
The Talosians were the only let down for me in the episode. I didn't mind them updating the makeup but how they did it left something to be desired.
The key thing being that they cast a square-jawed pater guy as the leader. The whole point to the original design in "The Cage" is that the male aliens were slender slight androgynous things with large heads/brains, like greys. The idea being that they evolved away from strength and force and toward thought and telepathy.
Trek's makeup since JJ has been more stylistic than naturalistic. I think Trek's style overall since JJ has been more living graphic novel. I wonder what Michael Westmore would come up with today with contemporary makeup abilities. He said that he used to try and imagine his aliens in the real world evolving naturally on their homeworlds. It didn't seem too deep to me at the time, but seeing the greater stylization since, it's more apparent to me.
The key thing being that they cast a square-jawed pater guy as the leader. The whole point to the original design in "The Cage" is that the male aliens were slender slight androgynous things with large heads/brains, like greys. The idea being that they evolved away from strength and force and toward thought and telepathy.
Trek's makeup since JJ has been more stylistic than naturalistic. I think Trek's style overall since JJ has been more living graphic novel. I wonder what Michael Westmore would come up with today with contemporary makeup abilities. He said that he used to try and imagine his aliens in the real world evolving naturally on their homeworlds. It didn't seem too deep to me at the time, but seeing the greater stylization since, it's more apparent to me.
I kinda felt the same when I watched the cage. If Hunter had continued I think star trek would have been a mostly forgotten about tv show that got a not so high grossing movie made about it in 1997 starring Matthew lillard as pike and mimi driver as number one.
You're only partially correct.
In actuality, Hunter's wife at the time (Sandy Bartlett) was who arrived at a meeting with Roddenberry and Herb Solow to discuss Jeff continuing to play Pike.
It was she that informed them that she felt the show was beneath Jeff's Talents as a movie star and he would no longer be available.
(see here for full story)
From that link. Highlighting mine:
" It is unclear if Joan 'Dusty' Bartlett (not Sandy, as reported by Solow and Justman) influenced Hunter's departure from Star Trek, or if she was just the messenger. Whatever Bartlett's role in that decision, her say over Jeffrey Hunter's career wouldn't last. By late 1966, Hunter told the fan magazine Modern Screen he was pressing for a divorce, and in February of 1967 their marriage was over."
I wouldn't put too much stock in the idea that it was all due to Hunter's wife. That's scapegoating her too much, in my book.
I suggest you take a step back and calm down instead of making ad hominem comments on these forums. Argue your point, don't attack fellow posters.
No infraction issued yet but let this serve as a friendly reminder.
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Saw an interview with Laurel Goodwyn, the actress that played Yeoman Colt in the Cage. She believed in the show so much she turned down two other offers for, and endured Gene's "let's see those legs" Vision at her casting. She saw it as a serious role and bet her career on it. Unfortunately whatever plans they had for her character were tied to Pike so when Hunter split, that was it for her too. She pretty much gave up on Hollywood.
Her filmography shows that she was fairly active with tv roles until 1972, so I'm not sure about context for "gave up".
Just trying to quote what she said. I don't think she ever got the big role she wanted after that, and honestly, if Colt was simply some kind of Proto-Rand (an unstable form of Yeoman Rand which every ethical TV Reviewer in the galaxy has denounced as dangerously unpredictable) she might have been disappointed in the role anyway. Maybe she only got scraps after that. i dont know
I see....evidently 'work', but not the type or level that she really wanted.
I'm more of a Smith not Jones fan.
She played minor parts one or two times a year. I'm sure that this is "fairly active"...
