new Shogun adaptation coming...

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  1. arch101

    arch101 Commodore Commodore

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    I see Shogun has been ordered by Hulu. I'm a big fan of James Clavell books and the '80s miniseries of Shogun and Noble House were pretty well done, too. I have high hopes that, if this Shogun remake is successful, they'll adapt more Clavell novels. I'd sure like to see Noble House take place in 1963 as in the novel instead of the 1980's, as the miniseries did. Whirlwind might be a difficult adaptation as it concerns the Iranian Revolution and isn't sympathetic at all to the Islamic radical point of view.
    Clavell often had to retcon in order to tie his historical novels together, as they were written out of chronological order. A series of TV adaptations could fix that and tie them all together more tightly.
    Any other Clavell fans out there?
     
  2. Morpheus 02

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    I wonder though if there will be a big backlash. Do we REALLY need a ANOTHER Japanese story told through a white point of view‽ The Last Samurai seemed like the last major movie like that, and while it was good for like 90% of it, the ending made a lot of people hate it

    With rise of K dramas, I think there is a bigger audience for an all Japanese epic
     
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  3. Marc

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    Read the books (except for Whirlwind which I couldn't get into) but never seen any of the tv series or movies.
     
  4. Chaos Descending

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    For one, it's based on a true story. It's not just a fabrication.

    And if anyone ever tells a white story through a Japanese point of view, I hope they are as fair to the source material as Shogun is.
     
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  5. Ar-Pharazon

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    The mini-series was epic. Nothing was gonna keep me from tuning in, even my a-hole brother and sister. Then I bought the paperback, which was about 3 inches thick, and it collected dust :lol:
     
  6. Colonel Midnight

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    Great miniseries, great set of books all around.

    Personally, they should leave Shogun and Noble House alone.

    Taipan,
    though, should be redone as a full miniseries, rather than that awful movie attempt. Too complex for just a two hour feature.

    Gaijin - not sure. I read it once and honestly don’t remember much happening in it overall. It seemed like it was setting the stage more than anything.

    King Rat — go for it.

    Whirlwind — Yes, best leave that alone, tbh.

    Cheers,
    -CM-
     
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  7. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    I've watched Shogun both in English and French (the English dialogue isn't too hard to follow in French and since I know maybe half a dozen word of Japanese, the Japanese dialogue doesn't matter either way).

    I've also read the book (assigned reading in a college history course).

    My opinion: The miniseries was perfect and doesn't need replacing. Richard Chamberlain was terrific in historical dramas, whether Shogun, Man in the Iron Mask, or any others he did.
     
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  8. Captaindemotion

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    It’s been years from I’ve seen it, but if memory serves, the King Rat film with George Segal is very good. Never read the book so I can’t say how it compares.

    He really was the king of the miniseries, especially in the 1980s, but I always especially liked him in the Alexander Dumas adaptations he appeared in. Guilty admission: I really liked the Allan Quartermain films he did (which were very much in the Indiana Jones vein).
     
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    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    Yep. Swashbuckling at its finest, along with Oliver Reed and Michael York. :adore:

    However, I must admit that I never saw the Allan Quatermain movies. Somehow I missed those... but saw the others.

    Even the ridiculous Slipper and the Rose, a musical adaptation of Cinderella (of course he played the Prince).
     
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    Time probably hasn’t been kind to them, but King Solomon’s Mines is on Amazon Prime, if you’re curious. The sequel is also on, but only to rent or buy (may not be worth it, depends on how much you enjoy the first one).
     
  11. Timewalker

    Timewalker Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady Premium Member

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    I was 7 years old before we had color TV. I think I'd survive. ;)

    Thanks.
     
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    Not familiar with Jarvis, but Hiroyuki Sanada is always good.
     
  14. Morpheus 02

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    Ditto for me on that. So would this be Sanada's biggest role so far? Definitely a worthy actor . Interested to see how this all plays out.
     
  15. arch101

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    Watched these a few weeks ago. Still bad but Chamberlain was actually pretty good. Goldsmiths score is still great (how many films best parts are Jerry Goldsmith's score?)
     
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    The 80s Shogun was an epic miniseries. It was an epic tv event, for that matter, if I remember correctly. And it did live up to its grandeur.

    I am curious to see how this new Shogun will stack up against the 80s Shogun. Will it go big, or not?


    The Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune played the character who eventually becomes shogun in the miniseries.

    It was interesting that he had starred in a spaghetti western Red Sun; which was, in a way, the inverse of Shogun. Instead of a story about a western explorer/trader/imperialist's exploits in feudal Japan, Red Sun was about a samurai, played by Mifune, who found himself in the wild wild west of the United States.

    There was the inevitable culture clash between the refined honor-bound samurai and the uncouth American miscreants (like the Charles Bronson character) and other outlaws that he had to deal with. The movie was very entertaining.
     
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    Even if Ice Cube is given a pivotal role, nothing can touch the original.