New Picard SDCC Trailer
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It feels VERY dated..........apart from the CGI it looks like it was filmed in 1997. Enjoy Hulu.
2009-style Romulans, with hair and without tattoos.
I'm so glad it's not all bowl cuts, deep brow ridges and boxy shoulder pads.
Agreed.
"Deserve?" No, they deserve nothing of the sort.
Picard delt with the Borg in a very final way. Revisiting it feels very wrong.
But like all sinful things, it feels so good when you do.Agreed.
"Deserve?" No, they deserve nothing of the sort.
Picard delt with the Borg in a very final way. Revisiting it feels very wrong.
This reminds of a passage from the good book:But like all sinful things, it feels so good when you do.
"So as a dog returns to his vomit, a fool returns to his folly"
So encouraging...But like all sinful things, it feels so good when you do.
I'm pretty sure "encouragement" is not one of my better known activities around here.
I think Data might be B-4 assembled with Data's memories but not all of them and not enough to be considered alive anymore. A kind of robotic zombie if you were. At some point Picard see's keeping this fake Data around is wrong much like the old comm badge and moving to the vineyard has sort of surrenderd to nostiga. The girl,Seven,Riker and Troi inspire him to want to make difference by helping the girl and dealing with all that Borg/Romulan stuff. Starfleet doesn't help so he recruits a rogue crew. That Data parts in storage is Picard de-activating his fake Data and putting him in storage. It could even be the second to last scene of the first episode with the ,engage scene being the last. Jason
I just realized, watching it a 3rd time..."The journey is far from over" (probably unintentionally) carries on the tagline from Nemesis' trailer. Remember "A Generation's Final Journey Begins"? And we were all like "Does that mean this is the end?" And they said "This isn't necessarily the final journey...but the beginning of it..."
17 years later, they're finally making good on that.
17 years later, they're finally making good on that.
What do I make of the teaser?
Let's run through it:
"Have you ever been a stranger to yourself?"
The maudlin melodramatic question at the get-go is not a good sign. Especially with the sappy tinkle muzak. (Sorry, it's all so by-the-numbers and this is even before the shiny font credits appears. 10 seconds.)
Data sacrificed himself 20 years earlier, okay, this takes place 20 years after NEM. And he's bitching about his booze yard and to the point he makes Arnold Rimmer look like the Captain Picard of old by comparison, seriously?
And this is Picard, who survived Cardassians and Borg, only to have - at least from a previous trailer - imply he made a tactical error during some rescue mission... what's the rescue mission involving?
Now there's a woman in a cloaked hoodie, revealing it, spouting the usual "Do you know who I am!" line? Are we supposed to be laughing? At the teaser, not the article that's now more interesting than this teaser but, hark, I shalleth continue:
Nice to know she feels safe with grandpa...
Gramps is not looking up at a big hospital. Possibly because he has cramps.
Picard is now telling the head of the mental hospital about the mystery woman who came to him for help. Glad I kept watching, this is starting to intrigue...
She's running in a straight line and Star Wars stormtroopers keep missing. Oh dear, barely one second in and already the momentum is lost...
"If she is who I think she is" - is Picard referring to Julie Newmar's Catwoman from Batman 66? Only Catwoman can run past all those zappie-zaps and beat up the stormtroopers the same way every cliche lead in every modern show seems to be doing... Like Dot Matrix from Spaceballs, who isn't going back into "Sleep Mode" at this point?No, it doesn't matter she's being transported away at the last second, though to compare at least she's not whipping the heineys off of all 3 of them as if she's yet-another-Mary Sue or something far more fake than in some of the other modern shows. This is a surprise.
"She is in serious danger" - more melodrama followed by another title font with predictable, templated muzak.
Lots of CGI ships. I hope they're not Romulan.
"Sometimes I worry you've forgotten who you are..." drones the dripping voice, complete with Captain Picard Day banner that, in 1994, received mixed reviews. So there's a nostalgia tug callback to something iffy as well as a possible double-meaning. Or she's accusing him of having Alzheimers, can the melodrama get any more soppy than this?
Nice scaffolding with that sciencefictioney tritey lighting. I bet it's a better actor than 90% of the human cast.
"...we do not." So this sappy melodramatic character has multiple personality disorder?
"You can't do it alone... you need help" - offscreen male voice. Yes, another melodramatic throwaway one-liner. Oooh, just like my honeymoon at just the right moment. Oh, wait...
All while Picard raises his hands with look of "duh" on his face.
"We need protection" - so this is a glorified condom commercial now?
"We need a crew" after a couple more shots of a couple more characters, who look like they've been constipated for six days and eight nights.
"Be the captain they remember" - in-joke for the audience to drool over? And what's up with what looks like a command chair in the middle of the Engineering section? Or is this a galactic school bus? Short bus and the driver is a mid-30s guy with a beard?
At least the background music is mixed in at a perfect volume, nor is it cheap and tacky music. It's by the numbers but it's surprisingly not cheap and tacky.
One last look at Picard looking "duh" before another credits font wind-up appears.
Picard's walking around some more, in nature and then with some bloke in an area lit with fluorescent tubes. Mercury-free?
Nobody knows who the mystery woman is. Maybe the teaser can actually make her more interesting than a used popsicle stick?
Beardy guy spewing more melodramatic fluff to someone giving him what might be perceived as "wanna make it with me" bedroom eyes - the lighting ensures the ears are hidden. Is he a Vulcan? Spock's son, why not - gotta keep Small Universe Syndrome going...
"She's the end of all! She's the destroyer!" More melodrama and then we see a giant set of Craps dice only there's (go figure) only one there, so so much for snake eyes. Maybe the Borg queen died, hence their "feeling blue" - but it's got some designer stripes on it now, so I suppose that fits in with the "25%" narrative?
But the Borg. There's no indication they took over the Federation yet. Is the mystery woman a new type of Borg, like what the Cylons did in "Galactica 1980"?
Even 1970s Doctor Who wasn't anywhere this level of melodrama...
Back to Picard pouring his nth glass of booze since the teaser now has to wind down.
"The hell are you doing here Picard, saving the galaxy?" asks -- oooooh yeah, not since Boston Public! And with 25% larger prosthesis around her eye, how perfect! And she acts as if she's known him for a decade or so!! The takeaways here are numerous. Apart from Small Universe Syndrome and how 7 now has a fully formed sense of humor and personality that seem a little too honed and perfect, it seems.
Montage of clips including Picard being hauled off by a guard, 7 in front of some TARDIS roundels, a mummy whose bandages were removed with Borg appendages at the ready(?), running down corridors best suited for good Doctor Who, Picard doing his John MacClane gun pew pew shooting stance, mystery woman this teaser completely fails to make even remotely interesting despite the purported importance claimed, and then some pure fanwank of "Engage".
"Early 2020". Ok.
Oh, wait, this also takes place in Kelvinverse. Data's sacrifice may have been involving something different and not NEM as we know it but, why not, even in Kelvinland NEM may have been a better outing.
Disclaimers:
1. I paused and reacted in real time.
2. My reply covers the teaser only. The show's premiere should be doing the real work of setting up premise and follow-through. A teaser is designed to lure and win interest. Mine's just about there despite the by-the-numbers approach. And it wouldn't take much to make the Borg good again (VOY did well with them for a while but then squandered it, and it's all good enough that now I wonder if 7 and Picard will have to deal with the Borg directly again. And, of course, that rescue mission from the other teaser... but I won't think into it too much and not because I already had.)
tl;dr - Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Nope on both counts. Too deep a cut. SO much in the trailer is connected to the Borg, there's no way they're gonna loop in another massive bit of backstory, especially one that is very obscure and would require way too much exposition.
Yes, this seems to make the most sense.
The trailer itself acknowledges Data is dead.
So it could be:
B-4 who has become Data 2.0
A hologram
A dream
I kind of hope that Picard expresses some measure of regret that Data gave his life to save him...as in, Picard went running off on his own to fight Shinzon, and I personally would like it if he reflected on how that was a perhaps a bad decision. I like the way the Trek novels sometimes paper over "questionable" writing decisions made in the shows/movies, and it'd be cool to see that effect here too.
Also, the budget/production values are far beyond the previous 50 years of TV Trek and they still manage to screw up the occasional set of eyebrows?
They should spend absolutely ZERO time on the specifics of the dreadful "Nemesis" except to remind people that Data died saving Picard. (and that Riker finally got his own ship.)
The rest of the movie should be completely ignored and flushed from our collective memories.
I once had a fanfic idea where I borrowed from the later Ender books. Basically, B4 was not a long-term solution. so Geordi ends up having to DL Data into the Federation interwebz and his consciousness becomes a ghost in the machine. The TNG crew are the only ones who know he's there and Geordi is the one who can interact with him, as his implants act as the power source and housing for the neural uplink.
Wow, there is a LOT of (spoiler-y?) information in this interview. thanks for sharing!
Maybe its just me over overgeneralizing, but the mystery attacker that got kicked off the stairs looked to be transported away with a Federation transporter. The shows and movies seemed to always indicate different species had different transport effects. Maybe that indicates the federation may be up to no good, hence the crew of rogues and no real Starfleet presence.
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