Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...
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- Nuff said.
People like what they like, its upto them, not me.
I enjoy altering and seeing stuff from this era of Trek, maybe others enjoy other Trek, its their call.
Now, on the eve of the newly refit Enterprise embarking upon her 5-year voyage Spock converses with a visiting Fleet Captain Pike...
- Nuff said.Cool. Ive forgotten all that now. Im just leaving it.Posted by AlexR:
I agree that the TOS and TOS features era is by far my favorite era of Trek. I think they have something that none of the other series--prequel or sequel--have.
OTOH, I find things to enjoy in all of them (even TNG!).
My personal issue here isn't to tell Warped9--or anybody else, for that matter--what to do in their art, and personally, I am really enjoying this thread and the work that's being done here. But I have to wonder why it is that someone's oblique reference to ENT has to spark the level of bile that it seems to here. Don't like it? Fine. Never gonna use it in your art? Great. But to go on a rant and/or out of your way to slam the show every time somebody mentions it? Jeez... Give it a rest...
(OTOH, if I do that "Doomsday Machine" sequel fanfic, I'll be sure to credit where I got the idea.)
Well, I like the idea of the NX-01 on a wall, but ENT uniforms for a young Kirk, or even Pike, make no sense to me. Actually, I take that back. If the ENT jumpsuits had as long a service-life as the TOS features uniforms (2277-2349!), a variation (like was done in this very forum a year or two ago) might be around for a young Pike to wear...maybe. And even then it stretches credibility.
And I'll end by surely agreeing with that.
Best,
Alex
People like what they like, its upto them, not me.
I enjoy altering and seeing stuff from this era of Trek, maybe others enjoy other Trek, its their call.
Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.
I think the pro/con ENT argument has indeed gone far enough in this thread. If you don't like ENT, fine, but driving that point home at every opportunity has no relevance to Trek Art. If you like ENT, that's fine too, but Trek Art is not the place to take your stand against the people who don't.
So let's all just drop that line of discussion right now and get back to the topic at hand.
I think the pro/con ENT argument has indeed gone far enough in this thread. If you don't like ENT, fine, but driving that point home at every opportunity has no relevance to Trek Art. If you like ENT, that's fine too, but Trek Art is not the place to take your stand against the people who don't.
So let's all just drop that line of discussion right now and get back to the topic at hand.
Some suggestions...
Okay, now that we are back on topic
Can anyone produce a better shield picture than me? It feels like I drew a crayon picture compared to the experts here!
Other things I'd like to see:
1. I've always liked the look of the TOS phasers. One thing I would have changed in the movies is that the original phasers would have been used. So how about a close up of phaser controls, an lcd with different settings perhaps?
2. How about a close up of the original E's photon tubes and phaser banks? Or even the rear phasers?
3. How about a tractor beam effect?
4. How about an updated engine room picture? Scotty's been ignored in this thread!
Just some suggestions....
Bryan
Okay, now that we are back on topic
Can anyone produce a better shield picture than me? It feels like I drew a crayon picture compared to the experts here!
Other things I'd like to see:
1. I've always liked the look of the TOS phasers. One thing I would have changed in the movies is that the original phasers would have been used. So how about a close up of phaser controls, an lcd with different settings perhaps?
2. How about a close up of the original E's photon tubes and phaser banks? Or even the rear phasers?
3. How about a tractor beam effect?
4. How about an updated engine room picture? Scotty's been ignored in this thread!
Just some suggestions....
Bryan
Re: Some suggestions...
1. Well, I must admit that I thought the phasers in TSFS were a decent update of the TOS phasers.
2. That's tougher since you're talking about close-up detail. Not impossible I suppose, but tough. Someone on these boards actually did include such detail on their cgi Enterprise, but regrettaby I don't recall exactly who. It could have been Vektor, or Dennis Bailey or Kirkunit or someone else. The aft phasers are something I'm thinking about so we'll see.
3. Candidly I think TOS did it right by not actually showing the beam, like they did in TNG where I thought it looked cartoony. A tractor beam would essentially be a magnetic or gravitational field and so it likely wouldn't be visible I'd think.
4. A touched-up engine room is something I'm working on so we'll see what happens.
Posted by Machiavelligz:
Okay, now that we are back on topic
Can anyone produce a better shield picture than me? It feels like I drew a crayon picture compared to the experts here!
Other things I'd like to see:
1. I've always liked the look of the TOS phasers. One thing I would have changed in the movies is that the original phasers would have been used. So how about a close up of phaser controls, an lcd with different settings perhaps?
2. How about a close up of the original E's photon tubes and phaser banks? Or even the rear phasers?
3. How about a tractor beam effect?
4. How about an updated engine room picture? Scotty's been ignored in this thread!
Just some suggestions....
Bryan
1. Well, I must admit that I thought the phasers in TSFS were a decent update of the TOS phasers.
2. That's tougher since you're talking about close-up detail. Not impossible I suppose, but tough. Someone on these boards actually did include such detail on their cgi Enterprise, but regrettaby I don't recall exactly who. It could have been Vektor, or Dennis Bailey or Kirkunit or someone else. The aft phasers are something I'm thinking about so we'll see.
3. Candidly I think TOS did it right by not actually showing the beam, like they did in TNG where I thought it looked cartoony. A tractor beam would essentially be a magnetic or gravitational field and so it likely wouldn't be visible I'd think.
4. A touched-up engine room is something I'm working on so we'll see what happens.
Re: Some suggestions...
Great stuff Warped9, I'm enjoying this thread very much.
Here's part 1 of a shuttle coming in for a landing (way early days as the shuttle bay does not as yet exist)...
Shuttle Landing Part 1: The flyby (385KB WMV)
Great stuff Warped9, I'm enjoying this thread very much.
Here's part 1 of a shuttle coming in for a landing (way early days as the shuttle bay does not as yet exist)...
Shuttle Landing Part 1: The flyby (385KB WMV)
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Actually, my apologies. I thought you were initially referring to hand phasers. Regarding ship's phasers I rather liked that screaming whine sound effect they had in TOS, and in some respects the bright blue beam as well. I thought the phasers in TWoK looked a little whimpy, but then maybe it was supposed to look that way due to the ship being down on power...except that the Reliant's phasers looked the same way.
Re: hand phasers. Here's a collection of the phaser pistols from TOS (top), TMP and TWoK (2nd down), TSFS (3rd down) and TUC (bottom).
The TOS phaser is, of course, a classic design and my favourite overall of the lot. I next rather like the TSFS version which seems a decent enough update. The TMP/TWoK version is sleek enough, but I'm not really fond of the design overall and I recall onscreen that it looked rather on the small side. I actually envision this as more an out-of-service design and not so much Starfleet issue. The TUC version looks interesting, but somehow I think it looks far too industrial like to be a recognizable Starfleet phaser, but thats just my opinion.
Posted by Revas:
Ah yes, so we aren't talking just about ship phasers. My mistake. I'll go back to my cave
Actually, my apologies. I thought you were initially referring to hand phasers. Regarding ship's phasers I rather liked that screaming whine sound effect they had in TOS, and in some respects the bright blue beam as well. I thought the phasers in TWoK looked a little whimpy, but then maybe it was supposed to look that way due to the ship being down on power...except that the Reliant's phasers looked the same way.
Re: hand phasers. Here's a collection of the phaser pistols from TOS (top), TMP and TWoK (2nd down), TSFS (3rd down) and TUC (bottom).
The TOS phaser is, of course, a classic design and my favourite overall of the lot. I next rather like the TSFS version which seems a decent enough update. The TMP/TWoK version is sleek enough, but I'm not really fond of the design overall and I recall onscreen that it looked rather on the small side. I actually envision this as more an out-of-service design and not so much Starfleet issue. The TUC version looks interesting, but somehow I think it looks far too industrial like to be a recognizable Starfleet phaser, but thats just my opinion.
Re: Some suggestions...
A Klingon battle cruiser appears near deep space station K-7...
Note that I've chosen not to show these ships as if in "orbit" mode. I've always thought it rather silly that they did it that way initially considering that even a rather large space station would still lack sufficient mass to create a signficant enough gravitational effect to necessitate a ship to orbit it in order to maintain its relative position.
A Klingon battle cruiser appears near deep space station K-7...
Note that I've chosen not to show these ships as if in "orbit" mode. I've always thought it rather silly that they did it that way initially considering that even a rather large space station would still lack sufficient mass to create a signficant enough gravitational effect to necessitate a ship to orbit it in order to maintain its relative position.
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^ It's been a while since I saw TOS episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" and the "Star Trek: Deep Space 9" tribute episode, but I always thought that the ships orbited the spacestation because the station rotated about its axis. So to use the transporter to transport people and other objects to and from the station the ship had to maintain the same orbital speed and direction (i.e. a geosynchronous orbit about the spacestation) so that the ship was always at the same point of the spacestation. I would think it near impossible to beam over to the K-7 spacestation if it was spinning and the Enterprise was not orbiting it. I seemed to recall a scene in the Administrator's Office that Kirk and Spock beam into where you can see the Enterprise out of the Administrator's office window in the background and the Enterprise appears stationary because it is orbiting the K-7 station at the same speed that K-7 is spinning. However, I like the above picture that you created. It looks like the Enterprise and the Klingon Battlecruiser are both arriving at K-7 at the same time before they assume orbit about K-7.
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^ It's been a while since I saw TOS episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" and the "Star Trek: Deep Space 9" tribute episode, but I always thought that the ships orbited the spacestation because the station rotated about its axis. So to use the transporter to transport people and other objects to and from the station the ship had to maintain the same orbital speed and direction (i.e. a geosynchronous orbit about the spacestation) so that the ship was always at the same point of the spacestation. I would think it near impossible to beam over to the K-7 spacestation if it was spinning and the Enterprise was not orbiting it. I seemed to recall a scene in the Administrator's Office that Kirk and Spock beam into where you can see the Enterprise out of the Administrator's office window in the background and the Enterprise appears stationary because it is orbiting the K-7 station at the same speed that K-7 is spinning. However, I like the above picture that you created. It looks like the Enterprise and the Klingon Battlecruiser are both arriving at K-7 at the same time before they assume orbit about K-7.
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^^ Station K-7 obviously had artificial gravity and it most certainly was not of the configuration that would require spin to produce artificial gravity or more specifically centrifugal force. And so yet another reason why the ships would not need to be orbiting. I think they tried to show some motion in the shots simply to try and make the scenes a little less static. Also the view of the Enterprise as seen from Mr. Lurry's office did not show the ship moving neither did it it show a moving starfield in the background. These are nitpicks to be sure, but since TOS usually made an effort to get things right I'm just following through on that track.
^^ Station K-7 obviously had artificial gravity and it most certainly was not of the configuration that would require spin to produce artificial gravity or more specifically centrifugal force. And so yet another reason why the ships would not need to be orbiting. I think they tried to show some motion in the shots simply to try and make the scenes a little less static. Also the view of the Enterprise as seen from Mr. Lurry's office did not show the ship moving neither did it it show a moving starfield in the background. These are nitpicks to be sure, but since TOS usually made an effort to get things right I'm just following through on that track.
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I stand corrected on the Spacestation K-7 spinning matter. However, I did not mean to suggest that K-7 spun to produce atrifical gravity due to centrifugal force. No that idea was beatuifully displayed on the hub of the spaceship Discovery in the film "2001: A Space Odyssey".
Sorry about the chief,
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Posted by Warped9:
^^ Station K-7 obviously had artificial gravity and it most certainly was not of the configuration that would require spin to produce artificial gravity or more specifically centrifugal force. And so yet another reason why the ships would not need to be orbiting. I think they tried to show some motion in the shots simply to try and make the scenes a little less static. Also the view of the Enterprise as seen from Mr. Lurry's office did not show the ship moving neither did it it show a moving starfield in the background. These are nitpicks to be sure, but since TOS usually made an effort to get things right I'm just following through on that track.
I stand corrected on the Spacestation K-7 spinning matter. However, I did not mean to suggest that K-7 spun to produce atrifical gravity due to centrifugal force. No that idea was beatuifully displayed on the hub of the spaceship Discovery in the film "2001: A Space Odyssey".
Sorry about the chief,
Navigator NCC 2120 USS Entente
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Awesome!! and many thanks for having a go at my request, its looking marvelous ... also the scene with the warbird is marvelous
If they could update TOS with these kind of subtle changes then i would actually think of buying it (next to the original footage)
Awesome!!
and many thanks for having a go at my request, its looking marvelous ... also the scene with the warbird is marvelous If they could update TOS with these kind of subtle changes then i would actually think of buying it
(next to the original footage)
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My biggest beefs with updating TOS would be the fear of them retconning it with references to the other shows which I feel would be highly inappropriate. My other concern would be trying to make it look like contemporary Trek as opposed to remaining true to the original artistic style only somewhat cleaner and enhanced.
My biggest beefs with updating TOS would be the fear of them retconning it with references to the other shows which I feel would be highly inappropriate. My other concern would be trying to make it look like contemporary Trek as opposed to remaining true to the original artistic style only somewhat cleaner and enhanced.
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