Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice...

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Number6:
Then I guess not all TOS fans are allowed here. Pity

I'm sorry you feel that way because that is not my intent. On the other hand one should also respect my choice that I do not wish to have any ENT references connected to my work in regards to TOS. My renders are for anyone to enjoy regardless of preferences, but in the end it is my creative effort and as such I have the say in regards to what it will or will not consist of.

Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

Star Trek's "message" is something that has been blown all out of proportion. Yes, there is some of that positivism in there, but it was not a holy writ or a grand message to humanity. It was simply an aspect of the future world that the characters existed in. This "message" business is akin to people who insist there's some grand philosophy or religious message in Star Wars. It's nonsense read into it that isn't really there and was never intended to be.

 

[Masao]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by Masao:
Ray, I suggest you not overdo the swirly purple background gas. It's attractive, but I suppose it's probably not so common.

If you're referring to the overhead corridor translucent panels that's an effect of changing the red to a soft blue because the colour seems to be reflected in the panels.

No, not the corridors! I was referring to nebulae in deep space.

By the way, nice little ship you got there, Ray.

 

[Number_6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by Number6:
Then I guess not all TOS fans are allowed here. Pity

I'm sorry you feel that way because that is not my intent. On the other hand one should also respect my choice that I do not wish to have any ENT references connected to my work in regards to TOS. My renders are for anyone to enjoy regardless of preferences, but in the end it is my creative effort and as such I have the say in regards to what it will or will not consist of.

Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

Star Trek's "message" is something that has been blown all out of proportion. Yes, there is some of that positivism in there, but it was not a holy writ or a grand message to humanity. It was simply an aspect of the future world that the characters existed in. This "message" business is akin to people who insist there's some grand philosophy or religious message in Star Wars. It's nonsense read into it that isn't really there and was never intended to be.

Please do keep in mind that there are two of us, and we are not the same person.

While I have begun to enjoy Enterprise this season, I do understand the complaints regarding the show, though personally, I would rather have seen the planet eater destroy Voyager on her maiden voyage

Anyway, just want to make sure you all understand that there are two Number Sixes. I'm Number_6 and he's Number6.

Also, there haven't been nearly enough images posted in the last day or two. What I am supposed to be doing to kill time while not writing this article that's due next week?

 

[StarCruiser]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Number_6:

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by Number6:
Then I guess not all TOS fans are allowed here. Pity

I'm sorry you feel that way because that is not my intent. On the other hand one should also respect my choice that I do not wish to have any ENT references connected to my work in regards to TOS. My renders are for anyone to enjoy regardless of preferences, but in the end it is my creative effort and as such I have the say in regards to what it will or will not consist of.

Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

Star Trek's "message" is something that has been blown all out of proportion. Yes, there is some of that positivism in there, but it was not a holy writ or a grand message to humanity. It was simply an aspect of the future world that the characters existed in. This "message" business is akin to people who insist there's some grand philosophy or religious message in Star Wars. It's nonsense read into it that isn't really there and was never intended to be.

Please do keep in mind that there are two of us, and we are not the same person.

While I have begun to enjoy Enterprise this season, I do understand the complaints regarding the show, though personally, I would rather have seen the planet eater destroy Voyager on her maiden voyage

Anyway, just want to make sure you all understand that there are two Number Sixes. I'm Number_6 and he's Number6.

Also, there haven't been nearly enough images posted in the last day or two. What I am supposed to be doing to kill time while not writing this article that's due next week?

Hummmm.... Warped9 - you have a new mission!

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

I apologize to Number_6 and Number6 for confusing the two of you.

However my initial position regarding ENT still stands.

Masao I don't think I overdo it as far as nebulae are concerned. I just try to slip something in there every now and then when I feel it will add to an image's overall composition.

I'd like to oblige with at least an image a day, but regrettably it doesn't work out that way. I think it still averages out because sometimes I can post more than one or two a day while I won't have anything for a couple of days. Also I make an effort to put some real thought into what I'm doing in regards to what should or shouldn't be in an image as well as how far can I go and still make it look authentic. I can be somewhat of a perfectionist and can agonize for days on how something should look before I commit to it. It's also a learning curve as I've learned how to do things I wish I'd known when I started doing these things about a year ago. In some respects the ship and space scenes are easiest, but those type alone would soon be boring for some, me included. What I do find personally fascinating is the wealth of implied ideas in TOS that has been a wealth of inspiration for me.

Anyway, I'm on a break from work at the moment, but I'll try to have something new for you all tomorrow.

 

[Galactus]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:

Posted by Number6:
Then I guess not all TOS fans are allowed here. Pity

I'm sorry you feel that way because that is not my intent. On the other hand one should also respect my choice that I do not wish to have any ENT references connected to my work in regards to TOS. My renders are for anyone to enjoy regardless of preferences, but in the end it is my creative effort and as such I have the say in regards to what it will or will not consist of.

Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

Star Trek's "message" is something that has been blown all out of proportion. Yes, there is some of that positivism in there, but it was not a holy writ or a grand message to humanity. It was simply an aspect of the future world that the characters existed in. This "message" business is akin to people who insist there's some grand philosophy or religious message in Star Wars. It's nonsense read into it that isn't really there and was never intended to be.

I think it is fair that you do not want to create any work associated with ENT. But you also have to understand it is fair that someone looks at your work and decides that they want to make a reference that it reminds them of ENT. Once you put your work out there, you are automatically agreeing to let people make comments about it. Sometimes they see things differently than you do or even intended. That is basic Art Appreciation 101. The work that you are doing now is reinterputing someone else's work, who may or may not agree with what you are doing with it.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Thats true. And I freely admit that I strongly dislike ENT and what it represents to me and that I am sensitive to not wanting anything to do with it.

 

[number6]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

You've missed the point.
Let us take your analogy from my point of view.
If I was making a compilation CD of music I liked and somebody thought that one of the songs reminded him of a song by, let's say Phish, I wouldn't berate the man for liking the band and then spend the next half a day telling him how much I hate the band and getting my friends to chime in a make him feel like shit for liking Phish.
I'm way over how you feel about ENT and I never suggested that you should make that instead, OK?
So let's just drop it. Sheesh. I have been out of this f*cking thread since mid afternoon and you guys are still on about it!!
Obviously you've all decided to make me feel unwelcome. At least there's the other Number_6 for you to enjoy.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Number6:

Posted by Warped9:
Allow me to put it another way. If you are recording a cd consisting of a collection of songs you like then it would be foolish of anyone to insist you include songs on your cd that you don't like. It's your cd and your collection of favoured music that you enjoy. Why would you want to listen to something you don't enjoy or maybe can't even stand?

You've missed the point.
Let us take your analogy from my point of view.
If I was making a compilation CD of music I liked and somebody thought that one of the songs reminded him of a song by, let's say Phish, I wouldn't berate the man for liking the band and then spend the next half a day telling him how much I hate the band and getting my friends to chime in a make him feel like shit for liking Phish.
I'm way over how you feel about ENT and I never suggested that you should make that instead, OK?
So let's just drop it. Sheesh. I have been out of this f*cking thread since mid afternoon and you guys are still on about it!!
Obviously you've all decided to make me feel unwelcome. At least there's the other Number_6 for you to enjoy.

Firstly, I went back upthread and had another look at the remark from Odysseus that I didn't like. And I was correct--his remark wasn't that my image reminded him of ENT but that he suggested that Kirk had spent his early days aboard the NX-01. Never mind that his sense of time and continuity are screwey, but his remark gave me the impression that he thought that what he saw in my render is what I may have intended,. And I did not spend half a day explaining why I didn't care for his remark. I issued one brief post on the subject and left it at that. I also did not call on all my "friends" to chime in in support of my view. Whatever views those like minded individuals expressed were strictly their own and not issued at my bidding.

I did not go out of my way to make you feel unwelcome. I simply said that whether you agreed or disagreed with my opinion or my work is irrelevant and can have no bearing on it. After I'd remarked on Odysseus' post and then subsequently yours I was fully prepared to let it go at that and move on back to the subject of this thread at hand. Anyone who is remotely familiar with my posts in the other Trek threads likely already knows my position on this issue and I see no reason why some insist on rebuking me for it and trying to draw me out on it. You don't see me going into ENT appreciation threads and accusing them of being totally misquided or for bashing TOS. But if they come into my thread and make a remark I strongly disagree with than I will certainly respond in turn.

Perhaps I did respond unduly harshly, but then my harsh remarks were directed at ENT itself and not the poster. You, sir, are most certainly welcome here and welcome to comment. And I in turn will endeavor to be somewhat more discretionary in my responses. But that in no way means I have modified my initial position regarding ENT and its relation to TOS.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
A rarely seen class of starship and a tip-of-the hat to Masao as well as Franz Joseph...

After studying this some I've decided that I'll do a little extra tweaking, extending the hangar deck a little fiurther aft and making the navigational deflector a little more apparent. Otherwise on the whole I rather like how it came out.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Slightly off-topic, but to tide folks over until I can get some more stuff done here's some work I did several years ago. Just link here and scroll down a bit.

 

[Santaman]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Hey, thats a great ship you whipped up there

Hmm mind if i slip in a little request, would it be possible to see it in formation with the Enterprise? *puppy eyes* ... (as far one can see them through a closed helmet)

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ I'll see what I can do. I'm sure the Enterprise rendezvoused with such sister ships during her service.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Transfer of command.

Captain James T. Kirk assumes command of the U.S.S. Enterprise from newly promoted Fleet Captain Christopher Pike...

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
Transfer of command.

Captain James T. Kirk assumes command of the U.S.S. Enterprise from newly promoted Fleet Captain Christopher Pike...

Niiiiiiicely done.

 

[Classic Fan]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Warped9:
^^ Thats true. And I freely admit that I strongly dislike ENT and what it represents to me and that I am sensitive to not wanting anything to do with it.

Sorry to back track the thread, but im forced to agree.

My prequal, well, only Trek is TOS, always has been, always will be.

I dislike Ent and DO NOT accept it as a prequal series, hell, i dont even accept it as Trek, thats my opinion, im not jumping on the bandwagon of fellow fans, thats just the way i see it.

My work, my fanfics and my ship designs are all TOS oriented, even my contest entry is TOS era design.

I see no fascination in using Ent uniforms for a young Kirk or Pike, or using the pic of the NX-01 on a wall, or anthing alike.

TOS is my baby, ill abide by and its style, you just dont get Trek like this anymore.

 

[Masao]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Ray, for that scout ship, I find that by shrinking the ventral part on the primary hull you can make more room for the deflector.

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

^^ Thanks. I'll be tweaking this puppy within the next day or two.

Now, on the eve of the newly refit Enterprise embarking upon her 5-year voyage Spock converses with a visiting Fleet Captain Pike...

 

[AlexR]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Posted by Classic Fan:
My prequal, well, only Trek is TOS, always has been, always will be.

I dislike Ent and DO NOT accept it as a prequal series, hell, i dont even accept it as Trek, thats my opinion, im not jumping on the bandwagon of fellow fans, thats just the way i see it.

My work, my fanfics and my ship designs are all TOS oriented, even my contest entry is TOS era design.

I agree that the TOS and TOS features era is by far my favorite era of Trek. I think they have something that none of the other series--prequel or sequel--have.

OTOH, I find things to enjoy in all of them (even TNG! ).

My personal issue here isn't to tell Warped9--or anybody else, for that matter--what to do in their art, and personally, I am really enjoying this thread and the work that's being done here. But I have to wonder why it is that someone's oblique reference to ENT has to spark the level of bile that it seems to here. Don't like it? Fine. Never gonna use it in your art? Great. But to go on a rant and/or out of your way to slam the show every time somebody mentions it? Jeez... Give it a rest...

(OTOH, if I do that "Doomsday Machine" sequel fanfic, I'll be sure to credit where I got the idea. )

I see no fascination in using Ent uniforms for a young Kirk or Pike, or using the pic of the NX-01 on a wall, or anthing alike.

Well, I like the idea of the NX-01 on a wall, but ENT uniforms for a young Kirk, or even Pike, make no sense to me. Actually, I take that back. If the ENT jumpsuits had as long a service-life as the TOS features uniforms (2277-2349!), a variation (like was done in this very forum a year or two ago) might be around for a young Pike to wear...maybe. And even then it stretches credibility.

TOS is my baby, ill abide by and its style, you just dont get Trek like this anymore.

And I'll end by surely agreeing with that.

Best,
Alex

 

[Warped9]

Re: Never seen TOS scenes, but would've been nice.

Look, I already said I'd make an effort to be more discretionary regarding my remarks on this issue in the future. I already acknowledged that I may have been more emphatic than I should have been considering the situation. And I told Number6 that he was more than welcome here in this thread. So perhaps lets not tempt fate by going too far into this again (sorry, don't mean to tread on the mod's toes here).

But in my own defense if folks can cry to high heaven on how great that show is then I can sing the opposing opinion just as easily.