Nero's hatred of Spock makes no sense.

[Holodoc]

Um.....OF COURSE IT MADE NO SENSE! That was the whole point. I would imagine that the OP isn't married and has kids. Speaking as someone who is, as misplaced as dead wrong his actions were, I could identify with his feelings. If my family was lost in a cataclysmic event, I'd probably go apeshit and go after whoever was responsible. It might be wrong, but in that state of mind, I might not care. If I lost everything that mattered to me, I'd go all out because I'd have nothing to lose, which is why Nero was prepared to die.

It's time for Trekkies to get out of that logical post TNG mindset and realize that this new Trek is dealing with real people with real emotions.

I can understand what you're trying to say here; if your family were, say, killed in a school shooting or a terrorist attack, certainly, it'd be reasonable to expect you to want to hunt down those responsible, and depending on temperment, even to take revenge on them yourself.

But we're talking about something more than that. Carrying through with your example and lining it up with the film, after losing your family to a cataclysmic event you would wait for twenty-five years without either committing suicide or working through your grief, track down someone who tried, but failed, to help your family, kidnap them, make them watch as you killed, say, their entire home town, then leave them alive in the middle of nowhere and drive off to go kill the population of the nation's capitol. Now, how reasonable does that sound, maddened by grief or no?

 

[candle_86]

Well why doesnt spock fix it I ask you?

He has the calculations for time warp in that vulcan mind of his, he could acquire a ship and fix the timeline.

Or where is a wells class timeship, doesnt the Temporal prime directive state that they will protect and uphold the time line both past and present?

To many holes

 

[Scout101]

where would he travel TO, though? He's in the past already, going forward just gets him to the future of the CHANGED timeline. Seems like the only way he can fix this NOW is to go back to right before Nero exited the rift, and use another one to instantly destroy him and the ship. The Kelvin would make a *WTF* log entry as to what they just saw, but the rest would work normally from there, so that ought to correct things.

Real answer is just that they wanted to "shake things up", and have a defense for screwing with whatever they wanted, so they left it. would have been an easy fix, though...

 

[Noname Given]

This discussion is a bit ridiculous. Honestly, yes, if you are completely rational and unemotional (ie a Vulcan); it makes no sense. But as an emotionally distraught Romulan miner; who was just making a living; but lost his entire family and his homeworld AFTER the person who promised to save it failed; and who (in the process of trying to 'take revenge' in the 24th century) is sucked into a black hole and thrown 154 years into the past (he waited another 25 years for Spock to emerge) - you EXPECT a RATIONAL, REASONED reaction?

Come on. Nero's motivations are clear and make sense in context of the story presented. One of the things I really enjoyed about this film was that the plot points weren't just perfectly laid out and explained by lame techno-bable dialog; and there wasn't just a simple linear progression to the plot unfolding, like we probably would have gotten had Berman still been in charge.

I remained 100% spoiler free. So, when the Romulan ship first appears I was wondering "Okay, is this some Romulan military plot, or what?" It's not until Kirk finds Spock on Delta Vega that I got the backstory; which was presented in a quick, entyertaining way; and sorry, after hearing what happened - I saw no problem with Nero's motivations as the loss of their families and their world; sent them ALL over the edege; and now, stuck in the past, they want the Vulcan who failed in his promise to suffer as they have; and further, to (in their eyes) help protect and preserve the Romulan Empire that exists where they are now.

Do I have some quibbles with the film? You bet; but no more than I have with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (which was ALSO an entertaining Star Trek film).

What are the quibbles:

1) 'Delta Vega (at least in te original timeline) was the planet a mere light days from the edge of the galaxy where Kirk hoped to maroon Gary Mitchell. THAT planet give Spock a clear, unobstructed view of Vulcan?! (As for Scotty being there; hey it had a Lithium cracking station in the original timeline - so it seems to still have it in this one; no harm no foul).

2) Montgomery Scott created a 'Transwap Beaming Formula'; that allows people to be beamed across the Galaxy in the 23rd century - and it works; yet we NEVER saw it used in the 24th?!

3) At the end of the film, 'Spock Prime' seems a bit too accepting of this alternate timeline. Is he getting senile; as the Spock I know would be working on a way to fix this and restore/return to his own time (and with Vulcan destroyed in this alternate timeline; I'd think he'd have ample motivation to try SOMETHING).

Still a very enjoyable film; and I do hope they continue with another wholly original story; and DON'T fall into a trap of trying to re-make a TOS episode. If there was one large issue with Berman; it was that he tried to write lackluster Star Trek TV episodes and pass them off as feature films.

 

[Captain Robau]

I can tell you that when my brother died - of a doctor's misdiagnosis - I was incredibly grief stricken and angry with the man. I felt that he took an oath, a promise, to do no harm and prevent harm from happening. I thought that he had blew my brother's sickness off as the flu and sent him on his way.

When my brother died, the only person I could think of blaming was the doctor. I held him responsible, when in reality he did everything he could to save him. I tell you I could have killed the guy, all I could see was my grief.

What if I was thrown back in time? Well the future that is there is no longer MINE, it belongs to the ME that exists in that universe. Would I still save my brother - yes, I would. Would he be the same brother from the other universe - not really. If I were ate up with rage and madness and hate for a particular person, I find it resonable that I would also be selfish enough to say "Fuck this universe. I'm pissed off and mad that MY world is gone and MY family will never be the way it was before. Screw everyone."

You see? Madness, irrationality, rage, racism and hate together plus selfishness can put a person out of their mind, hence NERO.

BTW, I've been lurking on this board for a while and this is my 2nd post! Nice to meet you guys.

John

 

[Holodoc]

Yes, Captain Robau, but would you kidnap the doctor, kill his family, leave him alive, then wander off to burn down the hospital he'd been operating in? There's insanity, and then there's just bad plotting.

 

[Captain Robau]

Yes, Captain Robau, but would you kidnap the doctor, kill his family, leave him alive, then wander off to burn down the hospital he'd been operating in? There's insanity, and then there's just bad plotting.

Call me a madman, but at times I really think I possibly could have - a situation like that WILL put you out of you mind, something with which I now have a firm grasp on . I will agree, however, that his character could have been fleshed out more. Were his motives understandable? To me they were. But to each his own.