Nemesis - Tom Hardy not the best look-alike?

[WillsBabe]

Tom Hardy might not have been the best lookie-likie for Patrick Stewart but some of his body language is amazing. The way he sits in the centre seat on the Reman ship is uncanny in places. To me however, Tom Hardy seems bigger in physical stature than PS, which always throws me off.

 

[Praetor]

For me the Marsters resemblance is in the cheekbones/facial shapes more than anything else. It's not a perfect resemblance, but it's probably better.

While I'm in agreement that having Stewart play the rapidly aging Shinzon would have been better than Tom Hardy with varicose veins tattooed on his head, let's also pause to consider that all we're doing here is suggesting different fabrics for the new drapes we want to install on the Titanic. As much as Tom Hardy's performance didn't work for me, the script was still by far the weakest link in NEM.

QFT, biggles, and aptly put.

Tom Hardy might not have been the best lookie-likie for Patrick Stewart but some of his body language is amazing. The way he sits in the centre seat on the Reman ship is uncanny in places. To me however, Tom Hardy seems bigger in physical stature than PS, which always throws me off.

Very true. He did a good impersonation, shall we say? Like that time Seven of Nine was 'inhabited' by the Doctor in VGR. Looked nothing like him, but sure acted like him. Speaks well for that acting ability at least.

 

[trevanian]

While I'm in agreement that having Stewart play the rapidly aging Shinzon would have been better than Tom Hardy with varicose veins tattooed on his head, let's also pause to consider that all we're doing here is suggesting different fabrics for the new drapes we want to install on the Titanic. As much as Tom Hardy's performance didn't work for me, the script was still by far the weakest link in NEM.

Much as I'd like to agree, I gotta be superficial here and say that even worse than the script and the dune buggy, the Shinzon costume was the weakest link in NEM. They even wasted the poster by making it about that wimpy costume.

 

[Praetor]

That costume was a bit too S&M of them. Wouldn't a modified version of the Romulan uniform have been enough for the Remans too?

 

[santa biggles]

I didn't stick around for the ending credits when I saw Nemesis, but it always amused me that the guy who designed the new costumes for that film was the same guy who brought us rubber Batsuits with nipples and ginormous codpieces. S&M indeed...

 

[Praetor]

I didn't know he was. Films make so much more sense now...

 

[Eddie Roth]

So we're blaming Nemesis' failure on the costume designer now?

 

[Alrik]

Not so much. Just pointing out another link in the chain............






......wrapped around the huge rock that drug it to the bottom of the river.

 

[trevanian]

So we're blaming Nemesis' failure on the costume designer now?

No, we're saying that the director who said, YES! to that dress was a moron, and this is one more obvious example of that.

 

[Praetor]

He wasn't a moron. He was an editor. Hence the problem.

I bet Frakes could have directed a better film.

 

[santa biggles]

Frakes probably would have kept a lot of the character moments that ended up relegated to the bonus disc, but it still wouldn't have solved the film's tremendous problems with story and Shinzon's motivation.

 

[Alrik]

He wasn't a moron. He was an editor. Hence the problem.

I bet Frakes could have directed a better film.

At least the characters would have been more true to themselves.

 

[Ziz]

There are two fan-edits of Nemsis - one is finished, email the thread author for a copy. He makes it a strict "Picard vs. Shinzon" story and pushes the Data/B4, Riker/Troi and all the other stuff aside. The other is still in the works (hopefully) but he's doing a more detailed job, taking the deleted footage and trying to craft the film into something more functional.

 

[Praetor]

Frakes probably would have kept a lot of the character moments that ended up relegated to the bonus disc, but it still wouldn't have solved the film's tremendous problems with story and Shinzon's motivation.

Oh, agreed.

He wasn't a moron. He was an editor. Hence the problem.

I bet Frakes could have directed a better film.

At least the characters would have been more true to themselves.

That was my thinking. In that regard, at least it would have 'felt' better.

 

[Too Much Fun]

He wasn't a moron. He was an editor. Hence the problem.

Now now now, let's not be prejudiced against editors. I've always been disappointed when people take shots at peoples' work as directors based on their previous occupation. Just because someone started out at a 'lower position on the filmmaking totem pole' or made lesser films early in their career doesn't mean they're not capable of doing great work further down the line.

Coincidentally, another director of a much-maligned Star Trek installment ("Star Trek: The Motion Picture") also started out as an editor, but unlike the director of Nemesis, he had such fine films as "The Sound of Music" and "The Day the Earth Stood Still" behind him prior to taking the reins on a Star Trek production. David Lean, who directed the classics "Lawrence of Arabia" and "The Bridge on the River Kwai" also started as an editor, and there are lot of people who started their careers by making music videos who are blossoming into fantastic movie directors right now (I bring that up because I've also seen people unfairly claim a former music video director can't make a good movie, which is the same idea, and has been proven wrong many times.).

 

[Praetor]

For the record, I don't have any problem with editors.

I have a problem with an inexperienced person from another profession with no admitted knowledge of a franchise being assigned to direct a movie from said franchise.

This isn't a Frakes scenario. He had directed before, and perhaps more importantly, knew the franchise.

 

[Meredith]

Sela would have been better and more motivated too.

 

[Praetor]

I agree. The idea that including Sela and Spock 'would have required too much knowledge of the series' is stupid.

 

[santa biggles]

Yeah, but on the other hand, Denise Crosby can't act her way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. As much as I disliked the Shinzon character, I don't fault Tom Hardy as an actor. Having Denise Crosby play the big bad would have been an exercise in epic failure.

 

[Praetor]

So recast an older actress.