Nemesis - I Just Couldn't Be Bothered

[Transwarp Drive]

By the time Nemesis came out, I was über bored by Trek, it's lack of direction, the lapse in production values, the story telling and characterisation. I got the impression that I was the butt of some 'in joke' on behalf of the cast and that this was just a pay day for them, TNG movies aren't the occasion movies that the TOS films were. There just wasn't enough of a gap between TNG TV and TNG movies in my opinion, they struck me as extended episodes rather than big budget Hollywood flag wavers. I've grown to dislike TNG, it more than any other incarnation killed Trek for TV as a consequence of trying to rape Trek for cash rather than respect and a message worth telling.

For these reasons and more, I didn't go to the cinema to see Nemesis.

There, I've got it off my chest now.

 

[Romulus Prime]

...I didn't go to the cinema to see Nemesis.

I didn't either. I truly feel it's an utter piece of shit, but if you haven't seen it, I'm not gonna tell you "don't ever watch it." For all I know, you may think it's the greatest Trek movie ever...

...but with that said, I wouldn't be surprised if you ever post that you burned the DVD after watching it.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

It's been ten years folks. Maybe it's time to stop bashing Nemesis. It's failure has been recorded at the box office and debated by critics and fans.

We have JJ's Trek now and it's future sequel. JJ's film making more money by itself than any previous Trek films stand alone. I suppose by those standards JJ's film would be the best of the previous 10 films right?

 

[BillJ]

I saw it in the theater and watched a few minutes of it last night before going to sleep. A poor film that had some interesting moments, still rather watch it than the putrid Insurrection. Which I did skip in the theater.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I've seen every Trek movie in the theater prior to Nemesis and enjoyed them all to some extent to another, but Nemesis was the first one that I felt slightly disappointed when I left the theater. It really wasn't until a few years later that I saw it again on home video that I started to like it, though.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I only saw Nemesis when it came to video, since I was totally burned out on and disillusioned with Trek at the time. I didn't care anymore.

Then I saw it, I loved it, and along with Enterprise's Xindi story it got me loving Star Trek again

So.... you're all wrong. Nemesis rocks.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

My god.

Well I guess we should all be thankful for whatever it was that brought KingDaniel back to fold even if it did contain dune buggies.

My biggest grievance against NEM is that the Romulan senate scene where they turned to stone and shattered was SO GREAT.. and it was all down hill from there. I was like panting during that scene. I blame that scene for my horrible nervousness throughout half of ST:XI because I was waiting for the high to crash in a most awful way. But it didn't. And thus, was my faith reborn.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I didn't go to the cinema to see Nemesis.

There, I've got it off my chest now.

Oh well, ho-hum and all that...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I watched it because I was curious how bad it was.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Having watched Insurrection again last night, I frankly much prefer Nemesis to that bizarre mess. Cringeworthy and hamfisted attempts at uncharacteristic broad comedy mixed with Disney sentiment, come thick and fast throughout. Whereas I don't see as much that's as irredeemably bad about Nemesis. One day I predict they'll be a top to tail re-edit of all the material filmed for that, and it'll be much the better for it.

Whereas Insurrection might recover its Quark cameo at best, revealing even more its TV episode scale mentality... save for a budget blown on a full scale village set, that practically nobody cares about.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

The TNG movies ranked for me are FC, NEM, GEN, INS.
NEM is a good movie it's just not FC good. It's better than INS by every measure, and it takes itself seriously and makes more sense than GEN. The Nexus being so undefined, Kirk only being in the movie to beat up the bad guy and Data acting like an idiot, and the grand Enterprise-D taken down by 1 Klingon Bird of Prey. Berman, Braga and Moore got their movie budget and screwed the pooch with this attempt of a film. They redeemed themselves through FC but GEN is a nightmare.

The Starfleet dune bugging, added in on Baird and Stewart's request actually makes sense if you think about it. All during TOS, TNG and then DS9's Dominion War, it has always been away team beaming down to a planet and walking or running there. Having a armed, and fast ground transport would be really useful for an organization dedicated to exploration like Star Fleet. Would've have been really useful during the Dominion War. Mid-Life crisis jokes aside Patrick Stewart does drive race cars and from the NEM commentary, Patrick was driving the Argo. Patrick wanted to add certain aspects to the Picard character, this includes the shoot'em up Picard we saw on the Scimitar. These were additions by the actor not the writer.

Similarly Data's death and the B-4 subplot. Brent Spiner wanted B-4 included to story. Data's death was supposed to be the completion of Data's arc to be human. As Brent Spiner explained on the NEM dvd interview, he explained it was a machine understanding and deciding commit self sacrifice for his friends and crew. A great and complex human quality. From the interview that was Brent's intention. I think people missed the point because there wasn't the iconic speaking through the glass moment like there was in Wrath of Khan right before Data died.

 

[BillJ]

Similarly Data's death and the B-4 subplot. Brent Spiner wanted B-4 included to story. Data's death was supposed to be the completion of Data's arc to be human. As Brent Spiner explained on the NEM dvd interview, he explained it was a machine understanding and deciding commit self sacrifice for his friends and crew. A great and complex human quality. From the interview that was Brent's intention. I think people missed the point because there wasn't the iconic speaking through the glass moment like there was in Wrath of Khan right before Data died.

I thought B-4 was a "cheat" that the studio wanted included in case they made a sequel and wanted Data back?

And, in my opinion, there was still many things to explore with Data. Insurrection and Nemesis are prime examples of why you want actors to act and not be involved in the behind the scenes process of film making.

 

[Amaris]

It's been ten years folks. Maybe it's time to stop bashing Nemesis. It's failure has been recorded at the box office and debated by critics and fans.

We have JJ's Trek now and it's future sequel. JJ's film making more money by itself than any previous Trek films stand alone. I suppose by those standards JJ's film would be the best of the previous 10 films right?

Well, we're nerds and we have long memories. There are people who still have fun busting VOY and DS9 and they've been off the air for 13 years. Hell, there are people who nitpick TOS and it's been off the air for about 43 years!

Me, I'm okay with NEM. It wasn't a great movie by any stretch, but it wasn't despicable. After 3 or 4 rewatches, I'm not so bothered by it. Oh, there are moments in it that drive me up the wall *cough*thewholeB4storyline*cough*, but otherwise, it's not too bad.

 

[Romulus Prime]

It's been ten years folks. Maybe it's time to stop bashing Nemesis.

By this same logic, no one should post anything good about the TOS, TNG, or DS9 shows they like since it's been over 10yrs since they were on. People are gonna talk about likes vs dislikes on a Star Trek board, and things like this really aren't anymore different than posting about how people feel about Enterprise.

The TNG movies ranked for me are FC, NEM, GEN, INS.
NEM is a good movie it's just not FC good.

In your opinion. I find it to be horrendous on nearly every degree. In fact, the only thing about it that I find "good" is that I found Red Letter Media's review on it before his popularity really took off - a review which articulated EVERYTHING I've always felt was wrong with the movie.

The Starfleet dune bugging, added in on Baird and Stewart's request actually makes sense if you think about it. All during TOS, TNG and then DS9's Dominion War, it has always been away team beaming down to a planet and walking or running there. Having a armed, and fast ground transport would be really useful for an organization dedicated to exploration like Star Fleet.

Actually, it doesn't at all. People were usually able to beam right to or near their destinations, and even if they couldn't, as in this instance...

...a shuttle is quicker than an exposed space jeep with only one rear-mounted weapon that's perfectly placed for when you're chased by angry aliens on a planet you could have just use the shuttle to get around with.

Similarly Data's death and the B-4 subplot. Brent Spiner wanted B-4 included to story. Data's death was supposed to be the completion of Data's arc to be human. As Brent Spiner explained on the NEM dvd interview, he explained it was a machine understanding and deciding commit self sacrifice for his friends and crew. A great and complex human quality. From the interview that was Brent's intention. I think people missed the point because there wasn't the iconic speaking through the glass moment like there was in Wrath of Khan right before Data died.

I don't think people miss that point at all, in fact the B4 subplot is EXACTLY why people complain about Data "dying" in this movie - it's because he kind of doesn't.

 

[Skellington]

Nemesis was the first Trek movie that I saw in the cinema, and (possibly because it came out just a few weeks after LOTR: The Two Towers) it felt like a movie that was out of touch with the standards of verisimilitude expected of a major big-screen release. I recall leaving the theatre at the end while others were staring intently at the credits, and thinking that they should get a life; it was just another movie. And so it is. It's not Star Wars and it's not Plan 9 From Outer Space; it's distinguished by its lack of remarkability. Even its biggest emotional moment was pretty much neutered by the final scene. (Might give the movie a rewatch soon, though.)

 

[Kirby]

I wouldn't be surprised if you ever post that you burned the DVD after watching it.

Netflix would be pissed about that.

I've seen every Trek movie in the theater, and I own every one on DVD. I don't like this movie, but for the sake of completeness (and more likely some sort of sickness) I also own Nemesis. I assumed that I would appreciate it more having watched it at home a couple of times, and while there are elements that are ok in the movie, it's still crap.

 

[Set Harth]

It's been ten years folks. Maybe it's time to stop bashing Nemesis.

TPM came out 13 years ago, and people are still bashing it.

 

[Dick_Valentine]

They neutered the warp effect in this film, that always annoyed me.

I mean why would the warp engines give off smoke? WHY?

 

[Romulus Prime]

It's been ten years folks. Maybe it's time to stop bashing Nemesis.

TPM came out 13 years ago, and people are still bashing it.

So is the implication here that there is a set time limit with which to give opinions on movies that came out? And since when does criticism ALWAYS = "bash". A senseless bash would be devoid of specific and legitimate complaints, NONE of which are present in most people's negative reviews of Nemesis, or even The Phantom Menace.

 

[Set Harth]

A senseless bash would be devoid of specific and legitimate complaints, NONE of which are present in most people's negative reviews of Nemesis, or even The Phantom Menace.

I don't think that means what you think it means. However, I agree with the implied sentiment that NO legitimate complaints are present in the most well-known negative reviews of TPM.