Nemesis has some great Patrick Stewart moments
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Wasn't Picard's character arc of the movie also of a man watching his "children" grow up and leave the house, so to speak, so he was sort of going through a bit of a mid-life crisis. The Argo was basically the 60 year old father getting a Porsche. We've all seen it. He just happens to have a great Engineer to help him create what he wanted to help him out.
^ That's assuming transporters are cheap as chips. If that was so, Enterprise would be full of transporters and no-one would ever walk anywhere.
I'm pretty sure "empty nest syndrome" played a part in it. To his credit, the Argo wasn't red.
The Kolaran Raiders (as the credits calls them) opened fire without warning or provocation, then continued to chase them and shoot at them. It was self defense.
With respect:
Except in places where it is inadviseable to use transporters, and perhaps ground effect (anti-grav) vehicles...hence, the Argo. (latter half of my response is purely speculation, possibly justifying the use of a wheeled vehcile vs prolonged "ground effect" vehicle usage.).
Friend Dukhat, it also occurs to me that the use of the Argo, in a situation where again transporters were inadviseable, could've been in keeping with the Prime Directive in a way. It is established that the Kolarans are pre-warp, at a stage of industrial development. Use of the Argo could be sort of a camouflage for Picard and company. From a distance, a casually observing Kolaran might simply think it was a Kolaran raiding vehicle (and wisely stayed away from said vehicle). Unfortunately, the Kolaran raiders were just a wee bit more observant, and far less afraid than perhaps the typical Kolaran desert wanderer.
. (personal opinion and speculation, only) eyeresist said:
Agreed.
Also, with due respect to Orphalesion, I don't think Worf actually killed any of the Kolaran raiders. Most of the time, he simply sent their vehicles reeling/tumbling through the air. Surviving crashes like that are far more likely than if Worf shot to blast those vehicles to pieces and make 'splodings.
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Friend Dukhat, it also occurs to me that the use of the Argo, in a situation where again transporters were inadviseable, could've been in keeping with the Prime Directive in a way. It is established that the Kolarans are pre-warp, at a stage of industrial development. Use of the Argo could be sort of a camouflage for Picard and company. From a distance, a casually observing Kolaran might simply think it was a Kolaran raiding vehicle (and wisely stayed away from said vehicle). Unfortunately, the Kolaran raiders were just a wee bit more observant, and far less afraid than perhaps the typical Kolaran desert wanderer.
The problem with this scenario is that according to the PD, Picard and company shouldn't have been on that planet at all, jeep or no jeep. Any chance, however slight, of cultural contamination of a pre-warp civilization is a no-no. If anything, they should have been disguised as Kolarans just like how Riker was disguised as a Malcorian in "First Contact" (the episode, not the movie). Or better yet, have the shuttle cloaked (since really, what was the point of the jeep anyway when the shuttle worked just fine?)
But for just that reason they had to remove B4 from the planet.
They weren't the ones who put him there. So they didn't violate the PD and it's not their responsibility to retrieve him.
As far as they knew they were in an area without people. Also, looking through the Memory Alpha entry I note an exception if "The society was previously interfered with by non-Federation citizens (e.g., Klingons) in a manner that would have violated the Prime Directive had it been done by Starfleet personnel (TOS: "A Private Little War"; VOY: "False Profits")".
That still doesn't make them obligated to do it. The only real reason why they did was because of Data. They could have easily contacted the Federation and had some duck-blind extraction team search for the positronic signatures once they had time to distract the natives, instead of the reckless way that Picard did so.
Hence the Martok2112 Law of Storytelling: Logic and physics will always yield to the needs of dramatic storytelling. (Pirate voice: More like a guideline, really.). 
<-----takes a bow.
To be honest, my "Law of Storytelling" is actually something I don't follow when I write my own tales. I like to try and make sure that what happens in my stories happens for a justifiable reason, and not left up to readers/viewers to suss out why it happened.
My "Law" is actually more of a statement of forgiveness in that perhaps what happened in a certain cinematic or televised fictional moment might not exactly make the best of sense, but it moved me at the primal level.....it excited me, or got whatever emotion out of me that was intended by the writer/director. Logic and physics be damned....that was just frakkin' exciting, fun, scary, what have you.
There are those who might say that "if the viewer has to come up with reasons why things happened in a story that someone else wrote, then that's lazy writing.". To a degree, I can agree. But soemtimes it's fun to come up with a possible reason why something happened in a favorite movie, if the writer didn't account for it.
Sometimes though, even the execution of the intent to be exciting in the absence of explicability falls flat on its face....fanwank or no.
Like Picard being able to summon up the incredible reserves of strength to yank a piece of conduit off of a wall to impale Shinzon. I mean, it looked just way too easy, even if Picard supposedly called upon "fear strength" to have done so. He didn't even struggle. Now, that, to me, is just something that cannot be explained or fanwanked away. Even my "Law of Storytelling" cannot forgive that. Much as I love Nemesis, that is probably my biggest gripe of the film.
To be honest, my "Law of Storytelling" is actually something I don't follow when I write my own tales. I like to try and make sure that what happens in my stories happens for a justifiable reason, and not left up to readers/viewers to suss out why it happened.
My "Law" is actually more of a statement of forgiveness in that perhaps what happened in a certain cinematic or televised fictional moment might not exactly make the best of sense, but it moved me at the primal level.....it excited me, or got whatever emotion out of me that was intended by the writer/director. Logic and physics be damned....that was just frakkin' exciting, fun, scary, what have you.
There are those who might say that "if the viewer has to come up with reasons why things happened in a story that someone else wrote, then that's lazy writing.". To a degree, I can agree. But soemtimes it's fun to come up with a possible reason why something happened in a favorite movie, if the writer didn't account for it.
Sometimes though, even the execution of the intent to be exciting in the absence of explicability falls flat on its face....fanwank or no.
Like Picard being able to summon up the incredible reserves of strength to yank a piece of conduit off of a wall to impale Shinzon. I mean, it looked just way too easy, even if Picard supposedly called upon "fear strength" to have done so. He didn't even struggle. Now, that, to me, is just something that cannot be explained or fanwanked away. Even my "Law of Storytelling" cannot forgive that. Much as I love Nemesis, that is probably my biggest gripe of the film.
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"conduit" - I thought it was a decorative spike
For all the efforts of the actors, I think that was the most poorly directed scene in the movie. The director fails to establish the geography of the location, so the action seems vague and illogical. The set itself was pathetically small and boring, which didn't help.
For all the efforts of the actors, I think that was the most poorly directed scene in the movie. The director fails to establish the geography of the location, so the action seems vague and illogical. The set itself was pathetically small and boring, which didn't help.
"conduit" - I thought it was a decorative spike
I thought it was the Death Balustrade of Death.
"conduit" - I thought it was a decorative spike
For all the efforts of the actors, I think that was the most poorly directed scene in the movie. The director fails to establish the geography of the location, so the action seems vague and illogical. The set itself was pathetically small and boring, which didn't help.
Yeah....the big peril part was the thaleron core, which they did at least demonstrate its lethality (as if thaleron wasn't already aptly demonstrated), but the spike just came from out of nowhere,
"conduit" - I thought it was a decorative spike
I thought it was the Death Balustrade of Death.
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