Yeah, this was my big worry.
But then I thought that maybe Picard also sent an evacuation order while he was working the controls on his armrest.
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But then I thought that maybe Picard also sent an evacuation order while he was working the controls on his armrest.
Better question, why didn't they just beam a bomb over or soemthing?
This site does a fine job of pointing out the flaws in this movie:
http://stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html
This site does a fine job of pointing out the flaws in this movie:
http://stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html
I thought the crash scene was a bit errrrr.
BUT there would have been some sort of schematic as in Voyager whilst Tom and Tuvok where trapped in that holographic novel, Janeway was sending messages through to the hollow deck, I'd imagine Picard could do the same.
BUT there would have been some sort of schematic as in Voyager whilst Tom and Tuvok where trapped in that holographic novel, Janeway was sending messages through to the hollow deck, I'd imagine Picard could do the same.
Omg this really shows up just how bad Nemesis was. I mean, it was ROYALLY bad, a huge frak up.
This also pretty much sums it up - A post from the Nemesis IMDB page.
For me, it was the blatant TWOK ripoff that really turned me off, moreso than the massive unbelieveability of the plot.
Replace Khan with Shinzon, replace the Genesis device with Shinzon's doomsday weapon, replace Spock's sacrifice with Data's, replace the battle in the Mutara Nebula with a battle in a nebula-like space anomaly...
It's pretty disgusting. They really couldn't come up with ANY other ideas?
What's really awful about the ripping off is that none of the weight, themes, poetry, or symbolism carried over from TWOK. TWOK was about age and youth, intelligence versus experience, and how we face death. Several classic literary works were invoked - for example, 'Moby Dick' and 'A Tale of Two Cities' - to add weight and dimension to the actions of the characters. 'It's a far, far better thing I do now than I have ever done... a far better resting place I go to than I have ever known.' Spoken by Carton in 'A Tale of Two Cities', when he sacrifices his life so that others may live. The needs of the many...
'I never faced the Kobyashi Maru test until now. What do you think of my solution?'
Spock teaches Kirk the REAL way to beat the no-win scenario. Can't cheat in the real world; but his sacrifice saved the ship. Powerful stuff.
'Nemesis' was a blatant rip-off of most of the plot elements of Khan, without any of the intelligence, emotion, or drama. I really can't understand why somebody didn't speak up during the production process and point out what a sham it was.
For me, it was the blatant TWOK ripoff that really turned me off, moreso than the massive unbelieveability of the plot.
Replace Khan with Shinzon, replace the Genesis device with Shinzon's doomsday weapon, replace Spock's sacrifice with Data's, replace the battle in the Mutara Nebula with a battle in a nebula-like space anomaly...
It's pretty disgusting. They really couldn't come up with ANY other ideas?
What's really awful about the ripping off is that none of the weight, themes, poetry, or symbolism carried over from TWOK. TWOK was about age and youth, intelligence versus experience, and how we face death. Several classic literary works were invoked - for example, 'Moby Dick' and 'A Tale of Two Cities' - to add weight and dimension to the actions of the characters. 'It's a far, far better thing I do now than I have ever done... a far better resting place I go to than I have ever known.' Spoken by Carton in 'A Tale of Two Cities', when he sacrifices his life so that others may live. The needs of the many...
'I never faced the Kobyashi Maru test until now. What do you think of my solution?'
Spock teaches Kirk the REAL way to beat the no-win scenario. Can't cheat in the real world; but his sacrifice saved the ship. Powerful stuff.
'Nemesis' was a blatant rip-off of most of the plot elements of Khan, without any of the intelligence, emotion, or drama. I really can't understand why somebody didn't speak up during the production process and point out what a sham it was.
I've seen it before, but it's still a good laugh. I picked this bit at random:DATA:The transporters conveniently failed after sending Picard, so I'm going to leap across space to get to Shinzon's ship. GEORDI:What about the transporters in the shuttles? DATA:Shut up. GEORDI:What about the Captain's Yacht? DATA:Shut up. GEORDI:Why didn't we just send a bomb instead of Picard? DATA:Shut up. GEORDI:What about the transporters in the cargo bays? They're independent units, remember? DATA:What part of "shut the fuck up" do you not understand? This is my big heroic exit, asshole. Don't fuck it up.
LOL LOL.
That website is hilarious
That website is hilarious
The plot's messy in many spots and the characters are written "out of character" in so many places. Still, it will never stink as bad as TFF. Every now and then it's on cable so I watch a bit of it. That's all I can stand. It's a horrible, horrible movie. NEM, OTOH, actually has a few moments that are pretty good. Certainly not every scene, but some of the scenes (and some of the deleted scenes) are very good. While B4 was a waste of screen time, when Data shuts him down, there is some fine acting going on. Same with scenes such as Data and Picard in stellar cartography, Data's sacrificial death, Deana's and Geordi's reactions to the loss of Data, the toast by all to Data, and Riker's and Picard's good-byes. I thought this film stunk at first but with subsequent viewings, I've mellowed. However, GEN gets worse every time I watch it - too many plot holes. While NEM is the weakest of the four TNG films, it's nowhere near as bad as TFF, that steaming pile of Shat.
They forgot 1 gripe:
How was the Schimitar able to back away from the Enterprise, after the crash? There's no gravity to allow the ships to separate from each other. Furthermore, the crash itself should have sent both ships flying uncontrollably through space.
How was the Schimitar able to back away from the Enterprise, after the crash? There's no gravity to allow the ships to separate from each other. Furthermore, the crash itself should have sent both ships flying uncontrollably through space.
My guess was that the inertia of the motionless E-E was enough to overcome the binding force of the collision wreckage holding the two ships together.
In layman's terms, the Enterprise was so massive that when the Scimitar backed up, the Enterprise broke free. No gravity was needed because spaceships still have mass even when they are weightless.
"Yes, touch my bald head and use your telepathic powers. Even though I'm now literally hours from death, I think I'll delay kidnapping Picard so I can mind-rape Troi. This will show the audience just how villainous I am, in case they're totally retarded and don't get it yet. Dammit, I should have asked for more money up-front for this gig. A cut of the box-office won't be worth shit."
Haha, so true.
RIKER:Why did we abandon our posts on the bridge to come down here and fight these guys? Shouldn't we have a security detail? WORF:Because the audience expects main characters to be involved in every scene.
RIKER:And why are we the first ones to arrive, even though the Remans came in through the bottom of the ship and we had to come from the bridge at the top of the ship?
WORF:How the hell should I know? Maybe most of the crew is on vacation. And why are the lights so fucking dark?
RIKER
im red light makes everything look more foreboding.
WORF:But didn't they say that the Remans see really well in the dark and can't stand bright lights? Why don't we crank up the lights to fullbright and blind 'em?
RIKER:Shut up and just try to look dramatic.
Damn! I can't believe I missed a six foot tall purple-robed troll from 10 feet away. All those years of Starfleet training and holodeck marksmanship practice really paid off, didn't they? I guess that means I have to chase him into the bowels of the ship and have a heroic fistfight. Oooh boy, I get to be an action hero!
RIKER:And why are we the first ones to arrive, even though the Remans came in through the bottom of the ship and we had to come from the bridge at the top of the ship?
WORF:How the hell should I know? Maybe most of the crew is on vacation. And why are the lights so fucking dark?
RIKER
im red light makes everything look more foreboding. WORF:But didn't they say that the Remans see really well in the dark and can't stand bright lights? Why don't we crank up the lights to fullbright and blind 'em?
RIKER:Shut up and just try to look dramatic.
Damn! I can't believe I missed a six foot tall purple-robed troll from 10 feet away. All those years of Starfleet training and holodeck marksmanship practice really paid off, didn't they? I guess that means I have to chase him into the bowels of the ship and have a heroic fistfight. Oooh boy, I get to be an action hero!
Umm, that was discussed on Pages 2-3 of this thread already...
That's a fair gripe, although one could argue that both Riker and Worf were assumed to be passengers on that flight, not real crew. However, the next one probably isn't:
Umm, the idea no doubt would be that the two meet halfway. Riker's team would have the benefit of internal sensor readings that would tell them where to intercept the baddies, and they would have access to turbolifts. The enemy probably would have to walk all the way, thus making slower progress and being more predictable. But they'd carry jammers (in their tricorder-equivalents, no doubt) so that Riker would not know exactly where they were.
Since the meeting would be halfway, and since the Viceroy would make every effort of continuing his climb towards the bridge, it then makes perfect sense that the two could fight on the perilious catwalk of a bottomless shaft, like all good villain-hero pairings.
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