NBC still clueless what was wrong with Heroes

[Aragorn]

"Kings" had NOTHING on "Heroes". It is just so sad that this board has just a fickle audience' that what they first demand that is stupendous and in thier eyes, turns out to be such utter shit that they SAY they refuse to watch BUT tune in week to week just to put in thier "professional" input into just what makes the show just so wrong. I found NOthing wrong with the show while it was on, BUT then I NEVER treied to write a television script either....

Were you here when Enterprise was on the air? There was one very vocal troll who said he hated everything about the show, yet watched every single episode, posted about the show more than everyone else and probably knew more about the show than the biggest fans.

The Battlestar Galactica remake had a couple lesser trolls who tried but didn't come nearly as close, though one of them wrote the longest single post I personally ever saw on TrekBBS... all about a show he hated.

 

[Silvercrest]

Yeah, well... it beats the ones who DON'T watch and still complain. You can't fault someone for knowing his stuff. I think.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

"Kings" had NOTHING on "Heroes". It is just so sad that this board has just a fickle audience' that what they first demand that is stupendous and in thier eyes, turns out to be such utter shit that they SAY they refuse to watch BUT tune in week to week just to put in thier "professional" input into just what makes the show just so wrong. I found NOthing wrong with the show while it was on, BUT then I NEVER treied to write a television script either....

Something obviously went wrong with Heroes. NBC had a smash hit on their hands, and in the span of 4 seasons managed to piss it away. People don't bail on shows that start out good and keep up that level of quality. People quit because the show got worse and worse.

 

[Anwar]

Heroes was beginning to run out of steam at the end of S1. They may have redeemed things if not for the Writers' Strike. But they couldn't stick to their guns and just get rid of Sylar, or ANYONE no matter how useless they now were/always were.

Could be the success syndrome, once they realized they had a winner they got scared of doing anything to really change stuff around. That didn't work either. Maybe they just needed someone in charge with a bit more conviction than Tim Kring.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Heroes was beginning to run out of steam at the end of S1. They may have redeemed things if not for the Writers' Strike. But they couldn't stick to their guns and just get rid of Sylar, or ANYONE no matter how useless they now were/always were.

Could be the success syndrome, once they realized they had a winner they got scared of doing anything to really change stuff around. That didn't work either. Maybe they just needed someone in charge with a bit more conviction than Tim Kring.

Yeah, sounds about right. As dangerous as Sylar was, he needed to be put down permanently. The show had a serious dearth of credible villains. Linderman could've made a good long-term villain had they not killed him off so quickly (and if NBC could afford Malcolm McDowell for more than a couple episodes, lol.)

 

[Anwar]

Lack of villains, yes. They should have introduced other villains in the first season aside from Sylar. I mean, really he's just a serial killer type character so how hard would it have been to bring in villains who are other criminal-types?

 

[Starbreaker]

Kings actually had a huge marketing campaign when it premiered... but nobody showed up.

Out of all the Chuck, The Office, and random Law & Orders I watched, I never saw one ad for Kings.

 

[stj]

Yeah. So?

Since you ask, announcing you're bored but imagining you've actually said something is kind of stupid.

And you admitting you like boring-ass Kings fully destroys your credibility on any topic (assuming you ever had it - I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen you post anything worth reading).

Inasmuch as you've been pontificating on why viewers tuned out from Kings, when the problem instead was they never tuned in, you haven't the credibility to pronounce on anyone's credibility.

The Battlestar Galactica remake had a couple lesser trolls who tried but didn't come nearly as close, though one of them wrote the longest single post I personally ever saw on TrekBBS... all about a show he hated.

Drivel. The post was about the show's politics. The implied notion that anyone who objectively criticizes a series you like is personally insulting you is childish. The implied notion that taking politics seriously is a waste of time is dumb.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Please don't close this thread just yet... but this was the only one i could find, ESPECIALLY to get fans of the NBC show Heroes to weigh in (who are members of this board, and might not check the sci-fi section any more), as they have watched it with enough interest to remember how the eclipse has initiated that wave of Heroes.

I am surprised to not see any social media memes saying how this eclipse will usher in a new wave of Heroes, or what powers one hopes to get after today.

 

[Anwar]

The real problem was that Heroes was conceived as something like American Horror Story wherein each season would be a self contained storyline and then the next season would be a new storyline with new characters and possibly not even be in the same universe as the prior one. The only connective idea being that it's about people randomly developing powers in the real world and how they would react and how society would react. Whether they'd become heroes or villains.

Unfortunately, either Tom Kring lacked courage or the network interfered too much and wouldn't let this anthology thing go ahead so they were stuck with characters who outlived their worth as characters and a setting that's main premise was already fulfilled at the end of S1 so there wasn't much to continue on with.

Ryan Murphy had the sway and FX not intruding on him when he did American Horror Story and that's why his show is still ongoing and successful.

 

[Skipper]

Read the whole thread.

Well, Heroes is still remembered today. The Cape was less than a blip in the superhero tv genre.

 

[Turtletrekker]

in my opinion, the biggest mistake Heroes made was not making Sylar a one and done villain. We all loved the character and Zachary Quinto's performance was a highlight of the first season, but the character's continued presence after season 1 just dragged the show down.

ETA-- more to the point of the point of the thread necromancy, I did find this article of television shows to watch during the eclipse that lists the Heroes two parter "The Eclipse" amongst the episodes to watch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...se-tv-episodes-mad-men-the-simpsons-more/amp/

 

[bdub76]

Every time I read these articles I get pissed. Why? Damn it! Why did the writers have to screw up so badly?

I rewatched season one. It holds up. Still good. Then it goes off the rails in season 2.

 

[FreezeC77]

in my opinion, the biggest mistake Heroes made was not making Sylar a one and done villain. We all loved the character and Zachary Wuinto's performance was a highlight of the first season, but the character's continued presence after season 1 just dragged the show down.

ETA-- more to the point of the point of the thread necromancy, I did find this article of television shows to watch during the eclipse that lists the Heroes two parter "The Eclipse" amongst the the shows to watch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...se-tv-episodes-mad-men-the-simpsons-more/amp/

That's TV network stuff. A character 'catches on' and they have to push that character no matter how ridiculous it is outside the intended storyline/arc of the show.

Urkel was intended to be comic relief and a supporting character on Family Matters.

 

[Anwar]

That's TV network stuff. A character 'catches on' and they have to push that character no matter how ridiculous it is outside the intended storyline/arc of the show.

Urkel was intended to be comic relief and a supporting character on Family Matters.

Doesn't always happen, if the showrunner has enough of a spine and sway.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I brought up Heroes mainly because I was waiting for my Superpowers to activate, and thought y'all would too

 

[Turtletrekker]

I brought up Heroes mainly because I was waiting for my Superpowers to activate, and thought y'all would too

I have acquired the powers of old age! Oh, wait, that's just old age...

 

[Morpheus 02]

The real problem was that Heroes was conceived as something like American Horror Story wherein each season would be a self contained storyline and then the next season would be a new storyline with new characters and possibly not even be in the same universe as the prior one. The only connective idea being that it's about people randomly developing powers in the real world and how they would react and how society would react. Whether they'd become heroes or villains.

Unfortunately, either Tom Kring lacked courage or the network interfered too much and wouldn't let this anthology thing go ahead so they were stuck with characters who outlived their worth as characters and a setting that's main premise was already fulfilled at the end of S1 so there wasn't much to continue on with.

Ryan Murphy had the sway and FX not intruding on him when he did American Horror Story and that's why his show is still ongoing and successful.

i don't think it supposed to be EVERY character dumped, but definitely i think intended to rotate them out over time, so it wasn't the same group ALL the way through. Definitely they hung on to a few people waaaaay too long, going to ridiculous lengths to keep them on like Ali Larter (which, did they ever resolve that her twin sister had some kind of power like Jericho of Teen Titans, and has inhabited her the whole time, maybe to stay alive?) or Zachary Quinto's Sylar.

It reminded me of how Agents of SHield also kept Brett Dalton on way longer than his character should have been.

in my opinion, the biggest mistake Heroes made was not making Sylar a one and done villain. We all loved the character and Zachary Quinto's performance was a highlight of the first season, but the character's continued presence after season 1 just dragged the show down.

ETA-- more to the point of the point of the thread necromancy, I did find this article of television shows to watch during the eclipse that lists the Heroes two parter "The Eclipse" amongst the shows to watch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...se-tv-episodes-mad-men-the-simpsons-more/amp/

Would it be fair to say that Zachary Quinto's 1st season performance made many us extremely excited when he was cast as Spock in the newer movies?

I think Quinto gave it his best, but yeah, eventually making him part of the family was silly, as well as the personality merge or rewiring or whatever made it ridiculous by the end.

And THANK YOU @Turtletrekker for that link --- that was kinda where my mind was at when trying to bring up Heroes. Maybe one of my children will be interested in watching it now?

 

[Aragorn]

Heroes creator Tim Kring is working on.... Heroes: Eclipsed, centering on new characters discovering their superpowers.

https://tvline.com/news/heroes-second-reboot-eclipsed-tim-kring-1235199066/

 

[Anwar]

Heroes creator Tim Kring is working on.... Heroes: Eclipsed, centering on new characters discovering their superpowers.

https://tvline.com/news/heroes-second-reboot-eclipsed-tim-kring-1235199066/

The reason why Heroes was any good at all in S1 wasn't because of Kring, it was because Bryan Fuller worked on the story and characters. Kring's biggest success was stuff like "Teen Wolf 2".