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NBC still clueless what was wrong with Heroes

Temis, if Betty White died of a heart attack on-screen in an interview you'd find it boring.

The thing with Kings was because the NBC Execs wouldn't let them advertise it right the audience didn't really know what it was about until it aired, for fear of alienating the hardcore religious dudes.

The positive reviews vindicate it as a great drama with promise. At least it shows Bryan Fuller wasn't the only one from Heroes who knew what he was doing.
 
I think if Betty White died of a heart attack while being nailed by Joe Flanigan Temis would find it interesting. ;)

(No offense, Temis. :lol:)
 
Heroes was a mess from the first episode. as it went on it only got dumber. people doing stuff that doesn't make sense. people having powers that are way too powerful and never realizing how to use them effectively.

Evie from "Out of This World" had a better grasp of her powers and how to use them in the opening credits of that show than anyone in Heroes had in the first couple of years.
 
Maybe if Kings WAS tedious, which it wasn't ;). Tedious is all that theobabble we got in NuBSG.
 
Of course it was tedious. That's inevitable when you have a show that fails to deliver even ONE character worth caring about.
 
Like there's never been a single show out there that gets canceled in one season despite being good, well-acted, well-written and having enjoyable characters. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That you liked Heroes' characters just ups the absurdity...
 
I liked some of the Heroes characters. Others I wanted to take a flamethrower to. :rommie: And Kings didn't get cancelled for being "good," that's just sour grapes. It got cancelled for being boring, which is almost always the reason shows lose viewers.

Funny thing about all the waa-waa-waa my show got cancelled complaints, even in cases where I like the show, I can tell why people tuned out. Pushing Daisies for instance. Charming, well written, well acted, beautifully produced - but the central dramatic conflict was too waffly and lacked edge. Just that one flaw did it in, because it was a vital flaw. All the pretty sets and costumes in the world won't compensate for a story that lacks a sense of urgency.

Kings had everything going for it except it didn't answer the question for enough viewers: why should I care? That was its vital flaw.
 
Kings never had a lot of viewers to begin with since NBC never marketed the series properly. Hell, even I didn't know what the show was about until it aired, just some new show with Ian McShane in it was on NBC. In other words, screwed by the network even before it was aired. If anything is Sour grapes, it's you having to put up with people who liked the show.

I suppose Firefly was boring for viewers, along with Freaks and Geeks, Life, Arrested Development, Space: Above and Beyond, Deadwood, Rome and numerous others, hm? Can't wrap your head around shows just getting screwed over? It happens.

Then again, you already admitted you'd even think Betty White dying for real on-screen would be boring so I think the point's been made for everyone else when it comes to your opinion on anything ;).

My opinion on Heroes, even the first season had problems. For a show like this to be more long-term, some things had to have been done differently and would have made subsequent seasons easier to pull off. I'm mind for a full-on reboot, not a "forget everyone after S1" type restart.
 
People didn't tune out of Kings, or another favorite whipping horse for one kind of poster, Threshold. They never tuned in in the first place. So BS explanations for why they tuned out betray an agenda. They did tune out for FlashForward, so bbser's can claim a win for their Braga hate. (Unless they remember that Braga had nothing to do with the series after the pilot.)

On the other hand, people did tune out from BattleStar Galactica. When people could still imagine it was a continuation of a fondly remembered series, the miniseries, it had an audience in excess of seven million, if I remember correctly. When they found out it was a shamelessly sensational exploitation of 9/11, its audience rapidly dropped. By the time losing in Iraq and Afghanistan made the new BSG look kind of lame and they switched to the fatuous fake religion, the BSG audience had tuned out big time. No one bothers to offer BS "explanations" for why the viewers tuned out. The new BSG was only a big success with critics.

Firefly never got a large audience, I would think for the obvious reason that cowboys in space is a hard sell, being, let's face it, kind of dumb. It didn't have a particularly big drop off, so there's no reason to blame Fox for episodes being aired out of order or preempted. Most people who bothered to check it out, liked it. It's not like they did a scheduling change, or delayed new episodes for a writers' strike.

There was once a comedy series called The Sandy Duncan Show which debuted to the top ten. Then the star developed a serious eye disease (they saved her vision, fortunately, as I recall.) After her recovery, the show returned to the air. The ratings slumped dramatically, and the show was canceled. With the illness it probably never even had a full season.

The moral of the story is that so-called reasons for losing audience can be ad hoc rationalizations, that there is an element of luck. If Sandy Duncan had stayed on the air, the show would have become a habit.

If you are going to try to explain audiences tuning out, it would be a good idea to actually talk about shows where the audiences tune out!

By the way, "boring" refers to a viewer's emotional state. It is no more an explanation than "I didn't like it."

PS The Closer is on tonight, which reminds of last week's episode. In it, Chief Pope mentions that when the department asked for full financial disclosure from narcotics squad members, they all quit! Not only do most people find it makes a difference whent he detective is not a cop, including cops, it is not even true that all cop shows are the same. Such scenes like that are why Kyra Sedgwick has so much trouble getting an Emmy. This is the first cop show where the characters may dislike Internal Affairs, but the show doesn't. (Mary McDonnell is trying to rebuild her reputation after BSG by working as Captain Raydor. Which name is probably an in joke.)
 
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That's right! My eeevil agenda has been exposed!!! To get Kings even more cancelled than it already is!!!! :rommie:

On the other hand, people did tune out from BattleStar Galactica.

I know why they bailed on that one, too. Too much blah blah blah, not enough space battles and Six's red dress. I'd like to think it was due to the fact that the blah blah blah had plot holes the size of Kobol, but I'm not sure I have that much faith in the audience.

When they found out it was a shamelessly sensational exploitation of 9/11, its audience rapidly dropped.

Nah, that would require the audience all agree what the writers meant. It was way way too garbled. Just look at the BSG forums - everyone had different interpretations about what the frak they were even seeing!

The moral of the story is that so-called reasons for losing audience can be ad hoc rationalizations, that there is an element of luck.

No shit. There's an element of luck in everything in life.

By the way, "boring" refers to a viewer's emotional state. It is no more an explanation than "I didn't like it."

Yeah. So? :rommie:

Kings never had a lot of viewers to begin with since NBC never marketed the series properly.

Wow, no disgruntled fan has ever blamed "marketing" for their favorite show getting the axe.

If anything is Sour grapes, it's you having to put up with people who liked the show.

Oh don't worry about me, I find you very entertaining. This is a lot more fun than going over Why Heroes Sucked for the ten billionth time.

Then again, you already admitted you'd even think Betty White dying for real on-screen would be boring so I think the point's been made for everyone else when it comes to your opinion on anything .

And you admitting you like boring-ass Kings fully destroys your credibility on any topic (assuming you ever had it - I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen you post anything worth reading).
 
"Kings" had NOTHING on "Heroes". It is just so sad that this board has just a fickle audience' that what they first demand that is stupendous and in thier eyes, turns out to be such utter shit that they SAY they refuse to watch BUT tune in week to week just to put in thier "professional" input into just what makes the show just so wrong. I found NOthing wrong with the show while it was on, BUT then I NEVER treied to write a television script either....:lol:
 
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Funny, all I saw was clips of the orange flags waving, Ian McShane meeting up with Chris Egan for...some reason, the narrator mentioning "Age of Kings", etc. It was only reading magazines did I know what the hell it was all supposed to mean.

And you admitting you like boring-ass Kings fully destroys your credibility on any topic

Better a Kings fan than an admitted "Betty White dying is boring"-type ;). But I think you've said enough that I have nothing more to add.
 
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