Yeah, I realize that and I think it's rather unfortunate.
Naveen Andrews in a Law & Order spin-off?
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In general terms, true, but we're talking specifically about Law & Order, a franchise that has been set and produced in New York City for 20 years running. The New York setting is a fundamental, defining aspect of its style. It shoots in real NYC locations and makes extensive use of the NYC talent pool including Broadway actors. It's even had the real mayor of NYC appear as himself in an episode. The city is a "main character" of the franchise, the only character to remain a starring presence throughout the entire run of all its series.
Well, as much as I love Naveen Andrews and can't get enough Sayid, I really do not see the point of another L&O spin-off. I mean, how many of these do we need?
The L&O franchise and the CSI franchise are seriously near their expiration dates.
The L&O franchise and the CSI franchise are seriously near their expiration dates.
I think they should do an episode where they go to Cabot Cove and finally expose Jessica Fletcher as the depraved serial murderer that she really was!!!!!
That's definately true. It's gotten to the point that, for me, I can't think of New York without thinking of Law & Order. When I went there on vacation this past summer, #1 on my to do list was "Stalk Sam Waterston." (I didn't get to do that, unfortunately. However, there was a very nice photo of Briscoe & Logan in Katz's Deli.)
Although, since the Law & Order franchise is so throroughly associated with New York, it would be interesting to see how differently it would feel if they did a series in L.A. Mostly, I just hope that the L.A. spin-off would continue the investigation/trial format, especially if this winds up being the final season of the original series. I've always preferred the trial stuff to the police stuff. Whodunnit is easy. Howdoyouproveit is where it gets interesting for me. That's why Trial by Jury was my favorite of the spinoffs and I'm really bummed that it was cancelled so quickly. (And maybe I'm weird, but I think Bebe Neuwirth is pretty hot!)
There's also one of Sam Waterston as well. (AFAIK, there's only ever been one L&O scene that took place in or around Katz's, and it was with McCoy, Southerlyn and Branch outside. That pic you mentioned, must have been when the actors were off having lunch.
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I hope Andrews gets a show more interesting than a frakkin L&O spinoff. 
Well Albuquerque would be a fun setting for more shows, besides that one, I think Breaking Bad is filmed there? Also will give me a chance to practice spelling Albuquerque.
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Well Albuquerque would be a fun setting for more shows, besides that one, I think Breaking Bad is filmed there? Also will give me a chance to practice spelling Albuquerque.
The first thing I ever saw Naveen Andrews in was Kama Sutra. 
I'd watch him read the phone book...
I'd watch him read the phone book...
In Plain Sight is set there. And the lead made an apearance on Criminal IntentI hope Andrews gets a show more interesting than a frakkin L&O spinoff.
AAAAA-MEN!
Well Albuquerque would be a fun setting for more shows, besides that one, I think Breaking Bad is filmed there? Also will give me a chance to practice spelling Albuquerque.
I'm always curious as to why people think that something is "past it's expiration date" if they don't like it. All the CSI's manage double digit millions of viewers, and Law & Order: SVU still manages a lot of viewers...
New York is special because extremely few modern television shows are set in New York, and even fewer are actually filmed there. For all intents and purposes the television industry, with the exception of news and talk shows, abandoned New York years ago. That's why Law & Order relies so heavily on Broadway talent. And why television has become so homogenized to have virtually all shows set in Southern California.
^Fringe was shot in NYC in its first season, though it's since relocated to Vancouver to cut costs. And the USA series White Collar is shot in NYC and makes heavy use of NYC locations. Other shows currently produced in NYC include 30 Rock, Damages, Gossip Girl, Rescue Me, and Ugly Betty, and shows produced there within the past five years include The Bedford Diaries, The Black Donnellys, The Book of Daniel, Cashmere Mafia, Conviction, Hope & Faith, Life on Mars, Lipstick Jungle, Love Monkey, New Amsterdam, and The Sopranos. So the TV industry has pretty clearly not "abandoned" New York.
While it does seem that most of the people making this claim don't like the show in the first place, that doesn't mean they might not have a point. A lot of shows that run for a long period of time become creatively stale toward the end, yet continue to be popular through the end of their run; M*A*S*H, ER, and Star Trek: TNG are good examples of that.
I don't know, it seemed to me that after the Rodney King Riots cop shows set in the fictional SCPD and the real LAPD have dried up. The series which were tried barely made it a year. There was a LA Sheriff's Department show 10-8, Robbery Homicide, LA Heat and few others until The Shield arrived.
On The Shield the cops wore their badges on the wrong side of the uniform and were villains. The LAPD finally returned with The Closer, with an outsider coming in as Deputy chief and Southland. But it seems as if Federal Agents represent LA cops on TV. From Jack Bauer's CTU on 24, to Numb3rs, to the undercover NCIS:LA Special Projects unit.
People will believe whatever they want to believe. If CoveTom needs to believe that New York-based TV shows are more rare than a Honus Wagner rookie card, then nothing will change his mind.
Also, there are talk shows and soaps that are shot in New York.
but how much are we talking about shot in New York vs Shot in New York for both studio and location?
In the case of the soap opera "One Life to Live" (for example), the studio is in New York City. Most soaps these days can't afford location shoots, but OLTL has done NYC location shoots in the past - an infamous one was an Egyptian-style wedding in Central Park!The show itself mostly takes place in the fictional town of Llanview, Pennsylvania.
I'd agree that southern California as a SETTING isn't as popular now as it was 20-30 years ago. However, it is kinda rediculous how many TV series use L.A. to double for other cities. CSI uses L.A. as Las Vegas, Miami, & New York! Medium uses L.A. for Phoenix. As a result, none of these shows have the same kind of authentic sense of place that you get with New York playing itself on Law & Order.
All the shows I mentioned in my list are/were filmed entirely in NYC or elsewhere in the Five Boroughs. I got the info from Wikipedia, and they had a separate category for shows that are mostly produced elsewhere with only occasional NYC location filming.
While I agree, the logic makes sense. It's cheaper than filming in NYC. On a plus side, at least if they make it in LA, it'll take place in LA. They aren't going to cheat like CSI. Personally, I don't really care about LA cliches these days, so I would hope they'd find a better city that could still be cheaper, but, if they do go LA, I'd hope they go fully authentic about the LAPD and Prosecutor's office.
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