Narenda III

[Alrik]

Loved the video...hats off to the producers!!

Agreed. Very well done.

Only one minor question...why did the Enterprise-C wait so long to fire torpedoes?? Unless I missed something, the ship did not fire torpedoes until after its return from the future...

While watching, I took issue with that as well. Especially because, IIRC, it was mentioned in Y.E. that the E-C's torpedos where almost depleated.

UPDATE: Instead of posting, I took a look at the script. Tasha does tell Castillo that; "Photon banks are depleted...
auxiliary fusion generators are down...". To be more accurate, the video should have shown the E-C going to town with her photons before entering the anomaly. But oh well, it was still a well done video.

 

[Satyrquaze]

It's resonable to assume that any Starfleet vessel would have the justification to enter into a obvious hostile situation with their shields raised. To do otherwise is incredibly wreckless.

Or rich in wrecks, depending on your point of view.

However, Star Trek is quite adamant and unanimous on the point that one always enters potential danger zones with shields down. They are only raised when the enemy makes an explicit appearance, and not always even then; typically, the hero captain keeps the shields down even when enemy guns are locked at him or her, and only raises them in the very nick of time if the enemy doesn't back down in face of this show of bravado.

Since nobody raises shields preemptively, it's probably a well thought out Starfleet doctrine rather than a rare omission or lapse. There could be some obvious but untold reason for why one doesn't raise shields as a precaution, just like there's some obvious but untold reason for why one doesn't resurrect one's dead comrades with a transporter, or why one doesn't solve all the big plot problems via time travel, or why one doesn't relay visual messages from away team to mothership in addition to audio.

Timo Saloniemi

Except I remember loads of times where the E-D was hanging nose-to-nose with a Warbird (or any other ship) with their shields up, yet neither had done nothing more than appear on the scene.

Though I think Picard didn't often raise shields because of any doctrine, he didn't because he saw himself as an explorer rather than a warrior.

It doesn't change the fact that according to all appearances based on that video... the E-C wandered into Klingon space with their shields down and then wandered into a known hostile situation with their shields down. I don't buy that Captain Garrett was that careless.

That said, I don't want to get into a conversation about the track record of female Starfleet Captains.

 

[Alrik]

It doesn't change the fact that according to all appearances based on that video... the E-C wandered into Klingon space with their shields down and then wandered into a known hostile situation with their shields down. I don't buy that Captain Garrett was that careless.

It's just another continuity error with the video. Going back to the script, she wasn't. The sheilds had to have been up and taken a beating. Here's the dialog that backs it:

TASHA
I'm reading forty percent on
forward shields... what do you
have on aft...

CASTILLO
(checking data, nods)
Forty percent...

TASHA
That's not going to do...
Commander, advise Lieutenant La
Forge that shields are below
minimum...

RIKER
Acknowledged...

 

[Timo]

Except I remember loads of times where the E-D was hanging nose-to-nose with a Warbird (or any other ship) with their shields up, yet neither had done nothing more than appear on the scene.

But name a scene where the E-D entered such a situation with her shields already up...

The only one that comes to mind is Picard entering the Romulan Neutral Zone in "The Defector": when the Romulans decloak and immediately fire, Worf comments that the shields are holding, without any preceding dialogue of them having been raised. So apparently they were up already - understandably enough when the E-D was committing an act of war, but perhaps negating the most obvious explanation for keeping the shields down. In "The Defector", Picard would have wanted to keep his signature low and his sensors alert, and shields might have impeded with those aims; apparently, they didn't.

The sheilds had to have been up and taken a beating.

What's to say they weren't up in the video, though? The E-C should have ceased to exist after the first Romulan volley already if she weren't at least somewhat shielded; perhaps her shields simply were skintight, like those of the E-A.

To be more accurate, the video should have shown the E-C going to town with her photons before entering the anomaly.

It would have been interesting to see the rift created by the torpedoes of the E-C rather than by those of the Romulans...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bill Morris]

Pretty cool. I did notice a few things, though. The overall length of a warbird is supposed to be roughly double that of the Ambassador class. So the scaling is funny where comparison is possible. They also showed a warbird firing from it's main deflector. That happened in Trek, too, but Andy Probert said that was a mistake.

Also, the warbird blueprints were grabbed from Andy Probert's desk before he had a chance to draw the impulse engines, and somehow they didn't make it onto the model, either. But the video showed them, right where Mr. Probert said he would have put them. Bravo for that.

 

[Tomalak]

Pretty cool. I did notice a few things, though. The overall length of a warbird is supposed to be roughly double that of the Ambassador class. So the scaling is funny where comparison is possible. They also showed a warbird firing from it's main deflector. That happened in Trek, too, but Andy Probert said that was a mistake.

Also, the warbird blueprints were grabbed from Andy Probert's desk before he had a chance to draw the impulse engines, and somehow they didn't make it onto the model, either. But the video showed them, right where Mr. Probert said he would have put them. Bravo for that.

It's not the Probert TNG-warbird though, it's supposed to be an earlier design.

Cool video though. On the shields issue, the fact that they were at 40% during the episode doesn't mean they were up during the battle. It could just mean the shield generators were damaged, or there was trouble getting sufficient power to them. Hence Tasha wanting Geordi to fix the EPS conduits or something.

 

[Satyrquaze]

It doesn't change the fact that according to all appearances based on that video... the E-C wandered into Klingon space with their shields down and then wandered into a known hostile situation with their shields down. I don't buy that Captain Garrett was that careless.

It's just another continuity error with the video. Going back to the script, she wasn't. The sheilds had to have been up and taken a beating. Here's the dialog that backs it:

TASHA
I'm reading forty percent on
forward shields... what do you
have on aft...

CASTILLO
(checking data, nods)
Forty percent...

TASHA
That's not going to do...
Commander, advise Lieutenant La
Forge that shields are below
minimum...

RIKER
Acknowledged...

I'm talking about when the E-C first arrives at Narendra III, not after the trip to the future.

 

[Alrik]

I'm talking about when the E-C first arrives at Narendra III, not after the trip to the future.

I think we are on the same page here. The quoted dialog comes early, in the initial evaluation of the E-C's battle damage, soon after it has come through the rift, and before it is attacked and Garret is killed. Granted, the dialog is inconclusive, but it at least suggests that the shields had been opperative and up during the battle with the Romulans, and had taken a pretty bad beating. As far as the video, I think Timo has a good take on it.

What's to say they weren't up in the video, though? The E-C should have ceased to exist after the first Romulan volley already if she weren't at least somewhat shielded; perhaps her shields simply were skintight, like those of the E-A.

 

[Noname Given]

What's to say they weren't up in the video, though? The E-C should have ceased to exist after the first Romulan volley already if she weren't at least somewhat shielded; perhaps her shields simply were skintight, like those of the E-A.

Well, given that in the actual TNG episode of Yesterday's Enterprise, we SEE the Klingons firing on the ENT-C, and the SFX in the episode show the ENT-C shields taking disrupter hiits, and that the shields are the 24th century 'bubble' type (and given the makers of the youtube video saw the episode as they matched certain shots from the episode)...The only logical conclusion is, the ENT-C's shields were shown as down in the entire youtube video.

 

[Timo]

...However, bubble shields are TNG era tech. It would be a justifiable assumption that the E-C would have skintights as a default; perhaps the bubble was retrofitted by our TNG heroes when they found out that they couldn't do the repairs in the temporal prime directive -sanctioned way after all?

DS9 further shows that ships from the E-C era (as well as from other eras) can have both bubbles and skintights, depending on the situation. And the E-C didn't go to her final battle with shields down, now did she? Yet no shield bubbles there, either, in this video...

That said, I would have much preferred shield bubbles for the video, for aesthetic-nostalgic reasons.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Neutral Zone]

NIce bit of work, worth watching.