Narenda III
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This was freakin' AWESOME! These folks should get a ton of praise in the comments section.
One thing I would have personally liked to see, which would have been a nice touch, would have been:
right after the Enterprise C enters the rift, we cut back to the laternate timeline D getting pounded, firing off a few shots, the finally exploding; the brights light and we fade to the Enterprise C coming out of the rift back to the 23rd century to kick some ass like it did.
And yes, very nice Romulan warbird design idea. Sufficuently 23rd century looking (based on the Enterprise C) and having the same mid-way look as the E-C did.
right after the Enterprise C enters the rift, we cut back to the laternate timeline D getting pounded, firing off a few shots, the finally exploding; the brights light and we fade to the Enterprise C coming out of the rift back to the 23rd century to kick some ass like it did.
And yes, very nice Romulan warbird design idea. Sufficuently 23rd century looking (based on the Enterprise C) and having the same mid-way look as the E-C did.
There were no dislikes when I just went there and left a like comment, and a post.
The effects were nice, but, imo, if you're going to do a battle based on an episode - one should LISTEN to the dialogue (which the creator obviously didn't do:
1) It was stated the Romulans were attacking the outpost; yet in the video they seem to just be lying in wait for the 1701-C.
2) Capt. Garrent there was a 'fierce volley of photon torpedoes' and th ship was 'here' (in the 24th century) - and Data further postuulated that the volley was what caused the temporal anomoly -it didn't 'just appear'.
3) Interesting the Romulans have shields (shown in the sfx footage); but either the 1701-C's tactical officer is incompotent; or Capt. Garret never bothered to raise them
The SFX ARE nicely done - but for someone trying to show 'what happened' in the context of the story as present ed in TNG; they really didn't pay a lot of attention to the description of the situation; or the snippets of what the characters stated regarding the fight.
1) It was stated the Romulans were attacking the outpost; yet in the video they seem to just be lying in wait for the 1701-C.
2) Capt. Garrent there was a 'fierce volley of photon torpedoes' and th ship was 'here' (in the 24th century) - and Data further postuulated that the volley was what caused the temporal anomoly -it didn't 'just appear'.
3) Interesting the Romulans have shields (shown in the sfx footage); but either the 1701-C's tactical officer is incompotent; or Capt. Garret never bothered to raise them
The SFX ARE nicely done - but for someone trying to show 'what happened' in the context of the story as present ed in TNG; they really didn't pay a lot of attention to the description of the situation; or the snippets of what the characters stated regarding the fight.
^^ I could speculate:
1. They were attacking the outpost, but even in the 23rd century, they had something like long range sensors, and saw the Enterprise C coming, and hide and took up appropriate battle placements.
2. Well, ther sort of was, in hte video. And whose to say they didn't? We saw the rift, not how it was formed.
3. Yeah, I really don't understand that. They were responding to a Klingon base under attack. Even if you don't know by whom, you're still in a time when the Klingons are enemies -- shields should have been raised.
1. They were attacking the outpost, but even in the 23rd century, they had something like long range sensors, and saw the Enterprise C coming, and hide and took up appropriate battle placements.
2. Well, ther sort of was, in hte video. And whose to say they didn't? We saw the rift, not how it was formed.
3. Yeah, I really don't understand that. They were responding to a Klingon base under attack. Even if you don't know by whom, you're still in a time when the Klingons are enemies -- shields should have been raised.
It was stated in the comments (and perhaps the description) that the C's shields were down when the attack began because they were attempting to beam down support to the Klingons. It's not that clear in the animation, but it could be easily inferred that the shields took damage from the first few attacks and couldn't be raised afterward.
You're right -- I jsut researched what year that events of Narenda III would have taken place, and what year the ship was commishioned (in a non-canon Trek book), and both are near mid 24th century.
^^^ As I stated, in other words.
It doesn't really surprise me that the Romulans would stop messing with the Klingons and go under cloak when they saw the Federation ship approaching. OTOH, if the idea was just to destructively raid the colony, I'd think four (Type-A? C.f. "The Defector") warbirds would already have made short work of the Klingons and would have no reason to loiter. Perhaps the Romulans were searching for something there? Or perhaps the resistance was fiercer than we were let to think?
It's possible that the E-C went in not knowing what was happening, and indeed had shields down. What we hear is this:
"We were responding to a distress call from the Klingon outpost on Narendra Three. The Romulans were attacking it. We engaged them, but there were four warbirds."
Quite possibly the distress call didn't tell what was happening, and the "Romulans were attacking" bit is something Garrett only found out after arrival. And evidently the distress call didn't reach anybody else besides the E-C, which sort of supports the idea that it might have been weak, partial, jammed, whatever.
I like how the impulse engine of the ship goes from the "systematic" red to the "canonical" blue due to battle damage... OTOH, it's dissatisfactory visually and dramatically that the E-C isn't firing any torpedoes in the first half of the battle. When the E-C meets the E-D, her "photon banks are depleted", which sort of suggests that ammo was used up, rather than that the launchers failed when still full (although we later hear that the launchers did fail, too).
Overall, it looks a bit unrealistic that the E-C could survive against those four ships for any length of time when the ship types seem evenly matched (althought the E-C does demonstrate some of that supposedly superior maneuverability). It would have been a more "sustainable" fight, dramatically speaking, if the E-C had eliminated one of the opponents early in the game, perhaps thanks to a piecemeal Romulan attack (and the attack we saw here was indeed piecemeal - two ships joined in later). Tasha does speculate that there would still be four ships facing the E-C, but what does she know?
And agreed that the "anomaly appearing ahead of the ship"/"ship spending several seconds sailing in" isn't a good match of dialogue, nor visually all that interesting. "A bright light, and then here" could look spectacular from the outside while not leaving the people inside any time to react.
Timo Saloniemi
It's possible that the E-C went in not knowing what was happening, and indeed had shields down. What we hear is this:
"We were responding to a distress call from the Klingon outpost on Narendra Three. The Romulans were attacking it. We engaged them, but there were four warbirds."
Quite possibly the distress call didn't tell what was happening, and the "Romulans were attacking" bit is something Garrett only found out after arrival. And evidently the distress call didn't reach anybody else besides the E-C, which sort of supports the idea that it might have been weak, partial, jammed, whatever.
I like how the impulse engine of the ship goes from the "systematic" red to the "canonical" blue due to battle damage... OTOH, it's dissatisfactory visually and dramatically that the E-C isn't firing any torpedoes in the first half of the battle. When the E-C meets the E-D, her "photon banks are depleted", which sort of suggests that ammo was used up, rather than that the launchers failed when still full (although we later hear that the launchers did fail, too).
Overall, it looks a bit unrealistic that the E-C could survive against those four ships for any length of time when the ship types seem evenly matched (althought the E-C does demonstrate some of that supposedly superior maneuverability). It would have been a more "sustainable" fight, dramatically speaking, if the E-C had eliminated one of the opponents early in the game, perhaps thanks to a piecemeal Romulan attack (and the attack we saw here was indeed piecemeal - two ships joined in later). Tasha does speculate that there would still be four ships facing the E-C, but what does she know?
And agreed that the "anomaly appearing ahead of the ship"/"ship spending several seconds sailing in" isn't a good match of dialogue, nor visually all that interesting. "A bright light, and then here" could look spectacular from the outside while not leaving the people inside any time to react.
Timo Saloniemi
It does seem resonable that when approaching an unknown situation, during a general war time era, only light years from tyhe Klingon boader, that one woulod have their sheilds raised. One would also assume this wasn't the first raid the Romulans made.
We have no indication this would have been "wartime". Klingons at the time were supposed to be in at least semi-friendly rather than openly hostile terms with the UFP. And history did not know what happened to the E-C the first time around, so apparently nobody was thinking that a Romulan raid at the Klingon outpost would have been a likely explanation for the disappearance. Sounds like an isolated incident rather than a dot in a pattern, then...
Generally, our Starfleet heroes and sidekicks tend to avoid entering situations with shields up, for whatever mysterious reason, so I guess a shieldless initial approach would be defensible (in the continuity sense) here, too.
Then again, the E-C when first seen by us did not have massive holes in her hull, just some charring. Had she not been shielded, and had she been ambushed by a cloaked, well-prepared enemy, this would be a somewhat unlikely outcome...
Timo Saloniemi
Generally, our Starfleet heroes and sidekicks tend to avoid entering situations with shields up, for whatever mysterious reason, so I guess a shieldless initial approach would be defensible (in the continuity sense) here, too.
Then again, the E-C when first seen by us did not have massive holes in her hull, just some charring. Had she not been shielded, and had she been ambushed by a cloaked, well-prepared enemy, this would be a somewhat unlikely outcome...
Timo Saloniemi
Except, the Khitomer Massacre happened around the same time (2344-2346). With whatever Klingon responses that would have taken place we just never would have hear about them.
Obviously, there were some hostilities between the Klingons and the Romulans. Despite that apparently there had been no contact between the Federation and the Romulans since the Tomed Incident (2311) except for when when there was... as needed by the writer at the time.
It's resonable to assume that any Starfleet vessel would have the justification to enter into a obvious hostile situation with their shields raised. To do otherwise is incredibly wreckless.
Obviously, there were some hostilities between the Klingons and the Romulans. Despite that apparently there had been no contact between the Federation and the Romulans since the Tomed Incident (2311) except for when when there was... as needed by the writer at the time.
It's resonable to assume that any Starfleet vessel would have the justification to enter into a obvious hostile situation with their shields raised. To do otherwise is incredibly wreckless.
Loved the video...hats off to the producers!!
Only one minor question...why did the Enterprise-C wait so long to fire torpedoes?? Unless I missed something, the ship did not fire torpedoes until after its return from the future...
Only one minor question...why did the Enterprise-C wait so long to fire torpedoes?? Unless I missed something, the ship did not fire torpedoes until after its return from the future...
Or rich in wrecks, depending on your point of view.
However, Star Trek is quite adamant and unanimous on the point that one always enters potential danger zones with shields down. They are only raised when the enemy makes an explicit appearance, and not always even then; typically, the hero captain keeps the shields down even when enemy guns are locked at him or her, and only raises them in the very nick of time if the enemy doesn't back down in face of this show of bravado.
Since nobody raises shields preemptively, it's probably a well thought out Starfleet doctrine rather than a rare omission or lapse. There could be some obvious but untold reason for why one doesn't raise shields as a precaution, just like there's some obvious but untold reason for why one doesn't resurrect one's dead comrades with a transporter, or why one doesn't solve all the big plot problems via time travel, or why one doesn't relay visual messages from away team to mothership in addition to audio.
Timo Saloniemi
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