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Name me one movie where the 3-D was necessary to the plot

23skidoo

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OK, here's a bit of a challenge. Of course we hear people swearing left and right that 3-D is going to become the norm now, and those who don't like it, or who can't see the 3-D properly, or who just find the glasses a pain in the ass should move into the 21st century. Yadda-yadda.

These same folks bristle when guys like me pull out the "it's just a gimmick" argument.

So riddle me this: name me one 3-D movie ever made in which the 3-D is actually necessary to understanding the plot of the film, or is a major element of the storytelling.

Nothing to do with how the film looks. Nothing to do with "fully immersive" entertainment. I mean name me a single 3-D film made either going back to 1951-52 or even that's in production now in which the 3-D is no more than a gimmick.

I'll take a moment to diffuse the two obvious comebacks.

1. The move to color film. Yes, it too was a gimmick, except there have been thousands of movies in which the ability to see color in the image has been either helpful or necessary to understanding what is going on. "The man who killed the bank teller is the man wearing the red bandana". "Cut the BLUE wire". Film titles: "The Woman in Red" -- you don't see "The Woman in 3-D" making a lot of sense. Etc.

2. The move to sound. Well this one is a no-brainer. How many films can you name where "the creaking floorboard" moves the plot along? Or a character impersonating another person's voice is a plot point? Or the fact you can express a hell of a lot more plot in dialogue than in title cards with a half-dozen words (Shakespeare rendered as a silent film -- and it was attempted -- is too stupid to comprehend). In Robert Downey Jr.'s "Chaplin" there's a scene where Chaplin spends days trying to figure out how to express how a blind flower girl (in City Lights) mistakes the Tramp for a rich man, without using sound. He eventually figures out a workaround (the girl hears a car door slam and assumes the car belongs to the Tramp; the connection is made because in the Great Depression lots of people couldn't afford vehicles unless they were wealthy). But the point is made that sound could have been used to move the plot.

Other than "ooh it's neat" I can think of nothing that 3-D can offer other than a gimmick to sell 3-D TVs and movie tickets... can you?

Alex
 
and those who don't like it, or who can't see the 3-D properly, or who just find the glasses a pain in the ass should move into the 21st century. Yadda-yadda.

Actually, I would just suggest they move to one of the 2D screenings which are always available for those who don't like or don't want to pay extra for 3D.
And stop pestering us who like 3D with how useless and gimmicky it is so that we can enjoy it in peace.


As for 3D being necessary to the plot, I don't care if it's necessary to the plot.
If it makes my movie look more beautiful and alive, therefore enhancing the experience, that's enough for now. Maybe as the technology matures and improves there will be those visionary filmmakers who will find ways of making 3D necessary for the story.
 
Cinemascope wasn't vital to the plot either... but I wouldn't call anamorphic widescreen a fad. Same with surround sound. It's about enhancing the movie-going experience.

Dumb question.
 
Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare - The third act required the character of Maggie to enter Freddy's psyche and apparently the only way she could do that was by slipping on a pair of 3D glasses while she slept. The movie then established that she saw differently in her sleep because she held up her hand and it popped out into the audience. ;) After she woke up she was still seeing in 3D and it enabled her to kill Freddy in 3D.
 
I wouldn't exactly describe myself as a fan of 3D, but why bother debating its merits or lack thereof? Let the kids play with their toys, why worry about it until such time as it strangles your ability to enjoy the art form? Whilst the long-term success of 3D - and particularly its current underlying financial model - is far from assured, there's nothing to be gained by proclaiming its fate one way or the other.
 
I agree with your points; 3D is certainly a frill, but when done well can be a very cool one. :)
 
First of all, 23skidoo, 3D gives you a headache. That makes you angry. We get it. ;)

There is nothing where 3D is integral to the plot. And none of your examples are integral to the plot either. In all your examples, the dialogue could change to "the ugly woman" instead of "the lady in red" and the plot of the film would still be the same. Before we could hear creaking floorboards, they had flash cards that said "He heard a creaking floorboard," so your examples don't really work. They don't affect the plot at all. What they do accomplish is a more immersive experience.

Hey...isn't that what they say 3D does?

;)
 
Nothing unless we're discussing Freddy's Dead which was built around the 3D. It's a neat gimmick to get asses in the seat. Speaking of asses in the seat I wish I had been around for William Castle's The Tingler which had a cute gimmick that got asses the fuck out of seats! :lol:
 
We're not there, yet, I don't think. But then, none of any technical innovations in film have ever been necessary to the plot. If it were, then the people in the movie would making it a gimmick by doing things that would tire out quickly. It's better if it's transparent. You hardly ever see the technical aspect of a film be part of the plot, so I feel it's irrelevant. It's part of the texture of a movie.
 
Well, I suppose color makes a difference...

But seriously, isn't this a bit like asking why people bring popcorn into the theater instead of eating beforehand? It's not about doing something the movie needs, it's about doing something to make the movie more fun for people who will find the optional feature more fun.

Now if and when 3D movies begin seriously undercutting 2D, we may have cause to revisit this discussion.
 
But seriously, isn't this a bit like asking why people bring popcorn into the theater instead of eating beforehand? It's not about doing something the movie needs, it's about doing something to make the movie more fun for people who will find the optional feature more fun.
One of my pet peeves about going to the cinema - people eating/ slurping/ rustling food packaging during the film - EAT a meal before you go or wait until the film is blinking-well finished!!!! You are not going to starve if you don't eat for 90 mins-180mins.
 
I usually do wait for the DVDs to come out, the exception in the last 12 or so months being Star Trek, and Ironman last night as DH wanted the whole family to go to these. Oh yes, we all had dinner before we went.
 
How was sound integral to the plot? People did fine with the dialogue/text cards and the dude playing an organ.

How was color integral to the plot? People did fine with black-and-white.

How were the various advancements in special-effects over the last 100 years integral to the plot? People did fine with just actors and a set.

This is all 3D is, it's just the next step in making the theater experience more real, inversive and life-like. The more it can make the movie "feel real", seem real and look real it'll pull you that much more into the movie world and that would be integral to the plot.

Your counterpoints on color/sound are stupid as they too, in their times, were gimmicks and people did fine understanding the film and getting "pulled into" it before the next advancement came.

3D, at least the way Cameron did it, is on the horizon of being the next big thing. Now they just need to find a way to make it more "real" 3D (so that that your prespective actualy changes if you were sitting in different areas of the theater) and do it without the need for glasses.
 
How was color integral to the plot? People did fine with black-and-white.


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I would argue that black and white still photography and movies are far more evocative and atmospheric than colour.

Growing up, movies shown on tv here were B&W even if they'd been made in colour as we didn't get colour TV until 1975.
 
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