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Nagging Questions Thread(Spoilers)

4. How did Scott manage to slip through the Vengeance' security. Even low bid private contractors should have noticed an extra ship flying into a top secret facility.

In reading the novel - it mentions that Scotty was help by Jupiter's magnetosphere and that he came around from Io making scanning somewhat difficult. The book goes into more detail.
 
Why would Marcus send Kirk after Khan if he wants an excuse to start a war? Right now he is a hot head he will bends regs. Just the kind of person he would want to fight the war. More mature captains would be more likely to question Marcus' push for war.

Kirk's fame as a hero from the Nero incident would strike a deep blow to Starfleet, possibly making the desire for revenge more pronounced and making it easier for Marcus to bring other top Starfleet brass to his way of thinking. With that, he could potentially have a huge card to play with any civilian political leaders on Earth or in the Federation Council.

Also, the Enterprise is the flagship, established in Trek '09. A prime target for such a situation.
 
What did Khan say to Admiral Marcus before he killed him? I couldn't make it out.

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Khan was a huge Kids in the Hall fan back in the 90s.


What Khan actually said to Marcus was "You should have let me sleep."
 
I enjoyed the movie but why did they need Khan's blood at the end to save Kirk when they had all of Khan's crew cryo-frozen? They could have extracted the blood from one of the frozen crew members and it wouldn't have mattered if Spock killed Khan in the end pursuit. Of course, Starfleet would have probably reprimanded Spock for not taking Khan in alive but after all the damage Khan did, I doubt there would have been too many tears shed for killing Khan without a trial.

Some said they didn't know if the other 72's blood would work, but they took one of the 72 out and kept him in a coma. They needed the tube to preserve Kirk. So you would think McCoy would test that blood to.

So in one scene McCoy has no idea how to revive them cause it's 300 years old. But after narrowly escaping death, it comes to him.

McCoy had almost no time at all- after clinical death, even with induced hypothermia, the brain only has only a short time until complete brain death (ie: brain death does not mean that all of the tissue has died- it just means that the brain is not functioning). Source Any time lost if the blood of the other augments didn't work would have been fatal for Kirk. Now, if they couldn't get Khan, I'm sure McCoy would have tried another person, but he would have had no guarantee at all that the person was an augment or that their blood would have worked at all after being immediately resuscitated from being frozen. So McCoy went with the logical conclusion that if they could get Khan alive, then they'd have to do that.
 
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Well, Ricardo Montalban was hardly African American. He was pretty light skinned himself.
"of colour" does not necessarily mean African American, IIRC Montalban was Latin American?
Born in Mexico City, but both parents were immigrants from Spain (Castile). Montalban was no more "of color" than is Cumberbatch, though he probably did get some bronze color added in makeup for "Space Seed".

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that they darkened his skin in Space Seed:

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When this is what he looks like naturally:

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There's no way in hell that a show could get away with that today- they didn't even try it when they did it in TWOK:

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They had essentially put him in "black face" back in the 60's, and even by the 80's, that was unacceptable anymore. He even speaks with the accent of someone whose native language is Spanish, which is not even close to an Indian accent. The biggest different between Cumberbatch and Montalban is the color of their eyes- blue and brown. Should they have made Cumberbatch wear brown contacts to look more like Montalban? Hell no, he is fine just as he is, and Montalban would have been fine just as he was, too, because everyone loved TWOK.
 
Does star fleet now have the means to bring back the dead, now they have khans crew and magic blood ?
 
Does star fleet now have the means to bring back the dead, now they have khans crew and magic blood ?

Probably not considering they're all in deep-freeze.

I'm puzzled why this is even a concern? We saw all kinds of fantastic technology in TOS that was gone and never heard from again beginning with the very next episode.
 
Does star fleet now have the means to bring back the dead, now they have khans crew and magic blood ?

I doubt it since they put him back in cold storage. There would be massive ethical concerns if people were to start "milking" the blood from Khan and his crew (if they have blood like his), so I'm sure it was all done on the hush-hush. Kirk was only clinically dead for a few minutes before they started resuscitation efforts on him- people are able to survive if revived in time. Really, all Khan's blood did was repair the radiation damage done to Kirk's cells- it wouldn't have worked if Kirk had been completely brain dead, though.
 
Does star fleet now have the means to bring back the dead, now they have khans crew and magic blood ?

I doubt it since they put him back in cold storage. There would be massive ethical concerns if people were to start "milking" the blood from Khan and his crew (if they have blood like his), so I'm sure it was all done on the hush-hush. Kirk was only clinically dead for a few minutes before they started resuscitation efforts on him- people are able to survive if revived in time. Really, all Khan's blood did was repair the radiation damage done to Kirk's cells- it wouldn't have worked if Kirk had been completely brain dead, though.

Yeah, as silly as the whole 'magic blood' bit was, at least they tried to make it seem as though the blood wasn't a cure-all. McCoy scrambled to preserve Kirk's brain function until he could repair the radiation damage. So no, McCoy didn't cure death, he just cured radiation poisoning.
 
Does star fleet now have the means to bring back the dead, now they have khans crew and magic blood ?

I doubt it since they put him back in cold storage. There would be massive ethical concerns if people were to start "milking" the blood from Khan and his crew (if they have blood like his), so I'm sure it was all done on the hush-hush. Kirk was only clinically dead for a few minutes before they started resuscitation efforts on him- people are able to survive if revived in time. Really, all Khan's blood did was repair the radiation damage done to Kirk's cells- it wouldn't have worked if Kirk had been completely brain dead, though.

Yeah, as silly as the whole 'magic blood' bit was, at least they tried to make it seem as though the blood wasn't a cure-all. McCoy scrambled to preserve Kirk's brain function until he could repair the radiation damage. So no, McCoy didn't cure death, he just cured radiation poisoning.

Well, if not a cure-all, the blood did cure whatever was killing that little girl at the beginning of the movie, too.

But I'd also say bringing Kirk back wasn't particularly magic (blood or otherwise) because it took two months and even more medical procedures for Kirk to even regain consciousness (if I remember that part correctly).

The way some who saw the movie before me were talking about it on these boards, it sounded as if McCoy just injected Khan's blood into Kirk and, BOOM, he was alive and kicking, again. Now that would've been ridiculous. How it was done had some credibility.
 
I doubt it since they put him back in cold storage. There would be massive ethical concerns if people were to start "milking" the blood from Khan and his crew (if they have blood like his), so I'm sure it was all done on the hush-hush. Kirk was only clinically dead for a few minutes before they started resuscitation efforts on him- people are able to survive if revived in time. Really, all Khan's blood did was repair the radiation damage done to Kirk's cells- it wouldn't have worked if Kirk had been completely brain dead, though.

Yeah, as silly as the whole 'magic blood' bit was, at least they tried to make it seem as though the blood wasn't a cure-all. McCoy scrambled to preserve Kirk's brain function until he could repair the radiation damage. So no, McCoy didn't cure death, he just cured radiation poisoning.

Well, if not a cure-all, the blood did cure whatever was killing that little girl at the beginning of the movie, too.

But I'd also say bringing Kirk back wasn't particularly magic (blood or otherwise) because it took two months and even more medical procedures for Kirk to even regain consciousness (if I remember that part correctly).

The way some who saw the movie before me were talking about it on these boards, it sounded as if McCoy just injected Khan's blood into Kirk and, BOOM, he was alive and kicking, again. Now that would've been ridiculous. How it was done had some credibility.

Two weeks for him to regain consciousness- but yeah, it wasn't an easy process according to McCoy. To me, if people can accept how Spock came back, which was completely ridiculous in every way, it shouldn't be that difficult to see someone who had just died be revived.
 
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