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Mythbusters 2016 - FINAL SEASON!

I initially wondered if the lack of bar-code scanners would affect the realism of the results, but since it's just comparing the times for multiple lines vs. serpentine, all that matters is that they both use the same checkout method. Although that does make me wonder if the presence of self-serve checkout lines in grocery stores improves speed and efficiency. Too bad we'll never get a revisit.

think self service checkouts would only work best for small number of items and where there's no fruit and produce. Fruit and produce generally have a product code which has to be entered rather than barcode for scanning. A good checkout operator from my experience generally knows the codes and can just fire them off. self service and the customer has to find the code, enter it and make sure they have it right.

Perhaps they should have also tested the impact of idiots with a low item count that could have gone through the express lanes instead clutter up the checkouts where people are going through with a week's worth of groceries.

And possibly the worst is price matching (which I will admit to using but not like one women I was caught behind who pretty much price matched everything in her blasted trolley and it wasn't a low item count).
 
And possibly the worst is price matching (which I will admit to using but not like one women I was caught behind who pretty much price matched everything in her blasted trolley and it wasn't a low item count).

I don't think I know what "price matching" is. Do they have that in the US?
 
I don't think I know what "price matching" is. Do they have that in the US?
They do. It's the process of matching an in-store price to an online or competitor's price. Different stores handle it in different ways.

With the advent of Amazon and online sales in general, they've kinda had to. It can be abused like coupons can, though.
 
They didn't even have a shoplifter. No flash mob either.

Who says organized economies don't work--they just did their own. ;)
 
My wife shops at Stop and Shop. They have a scanner that you carry with you, and you scan each item as you put it in your cart. Then you go to the self-check-out and shoot the scanner into a reader. Pow, you're total comes up, you swipe your card, and you're outta there! She hasn't stood on a line since they installed those things.
 
It was good to see Jamie used a semi-auto this time. The single-shot for the first test was ridiculous.
Still, once you're out, you're out!
 
I was hoping they would perform a third test with a merging of the two line options (one serpentine line followed by smaller lines with a maximum of two customers per cash register--a customer would be sent from the serptentine line to a smaller line once the smaller line had fewer than two customers).
 
With the line testing, I wonder if their cart loads were too small. It looked like everybody had 5-10 items. In "real life" you get much bigger variances (2 items up to 200, in some extreme cases). The serpentine line would balance those out for you.
 
Although there is the paradox of wait time vs. customer satisfaction to consider. Didn't they have a similar counterintuitive result with their airplane boarding test, where the fastest method was one of the most disliked?
I have to wonder how well you can really gauge "customer satisfaction" in those tests though since they're not actual customers and don't really have any skin in the game, so to speak. How irritated can you possibly be by having to wait a little longer in a line on a show you volunteered for when you don't actually have somewhere else to be and aren't really spending your own money? It's basically asking people to guess at how irritated they'd probably be if this were real, which of course is all you can possibly do in that situation, but it doesn't necessarily reflect reality and calls for supposition.

I bring it up because when I was in college I used to work as a supervisor in stores that used both the serpentine line method (Fry's Electronics) and the far more common multiple lines method, and in my admittedly anecdotal experience, people hated the serpentine system with a passion and would constantly complain about it. Yes, it's more egalitarian, but it removes the element of choice, and rightly or wrongly, in the multiple line system many people feel like they're influencing the speed of their departure by choosing which line to stand in or jumping between lines that are stagnant or moving. Also, in the case of Fry's, the line could often number in the multiple dozens of customers even during non-holidays, so it could be a rather disheartening thing when you first have to enter it. No one wants to go to an electronics store for a wireless mouse and wind up standing in a line that looks like it belongs on a ride at Disneyland, no matter how fast moving it ultimately turns out to be.
 
I bring it up because when I was in college I used to work as a supervisor in stores that used both the serpentine line method (Fry's Electronics) and the far more common multiple lines method, and in my admittedly anecdotal experience, people hated the serpentine system with a passion and would constantly complain about it. Yes, it's more egalitarian, but it removes the element of choice, and rightly or wrongly, in the multiple line system many people feel like they're influencing the speed of their departure by choosing which line to stand in or jumping between lines that are stagnant or moving.

That's a really great point. I hadn't thought of it, but I can instantly see what you mean, based on my own experience. It does feel better to have some sense of control over any part of the process at all.
 
^That's why I use the self-checkout lane whenever possible.

I'm not that fond of it myself. It keeps halting the process and telling me "Attendant has been notified to assist you" every time I'm less than perfectly smooth at putting things in the bagging area, and 9 times out of 10 I have no need of an attendant (and none comes anyway). It slows things down frustratingly.
 
Revisit special: I'm surprised how little time they spent on the dirt-drifting myth, given what a big production it seemed to be when they talked about it in the season-preview special. There, they talked a lot about how the dust flying around made it hard to steer or to let the camera people operate safely, so they finally had to resort to shooting the whole thing by drone. That wasn't even touched on here. The results were interesting; I wasn't expecting there to be any circumstance where drifting would actually be faster, because you lose forward thrust and create more friction, but I guess in that one kind of turn, it helps because you don't have to slow down so much. But there, I'd argue that it isn't the drifting itself that helps; it's just a side effect of not slowing down when you turn, not worrying about preventing a skid. So it doesn't show that drifting lets you turn faster, it just shows that not slowing down to avoid drifting lets you turn faster -- which is a pretty tautological result.

On the bulletproof-lighter revisit, I'm unsatisfied with the result, because they left out one key control test. Okay, they showed that the lighter could stop a slowed-down post-ricochet bullet -- but the myth is that the lighter actually saved the person's life. So they should've done a control test with a richocheted bullet and no lighter, to see if the bullet would still have been lethal at all. Failing to do that is sloppy methodology, and I think it invalidates the result.

The fish tank myth reminds me of the classic rifle-into-a-swimming-pool myth they did years back. That was their most effective demonstration of the principle here, that the faster a projectile enters the water, the more the water pushes back and dissipates its energy. I'm surprised they didn't show a clip of it, because I think it's one of their most iconic myths.

The myth about explosion shock waves cancelling in the middle turned out unexpectedly. It seemed credible to me that the shock waves might cancel, and I thought maybe the shrapnel would be the dealbreaker. But now that I think about it, I can see how naive that was. It doesn't matter if the waves were going in opposite directions; they'd have to be of opposite amplitudes to cancel each other out, one positive and one negative -- i.e., one an increase in pressure and the other a decrease. But both shock waves were a sudden, massive increase of pressure, so they were both positive and combined additively. I'm embarrassed I didn't see that right away.

I liked Adam's elaboration on "Failure is always an option" -- that it's more about the failure of their expectations than a failure of methodology. Although I don't think it's quite accurate; in the past, they often have used "Failure is always an option" to refer to breakdowns in their methods, like all the times their remote-controlled or cable-dragged cars and trucks ran away from them and destroyed yet another fence at the Alameda runway.
 
On the bulletproof-lighter revisit, I'm unsatisfied with the result,

Not every .22 comes from a rifle. There is the .22 short that has not much more energy than a pellet from an air-gun--not that all of those are weak either.

The myth about explosion shock waves cancelling in the middle turned out unexpectedly. It seemed credible to me that the shock waves might cancel....

The universe isn't always trying to fool you--sometimes things do add up simply.

I guess this will make me lose my skeptic card, but what I will always remember about this episode (outside of that black plastic product I just have to get)--was the dust devil.

It was almost as if the location was saying goodbye to them, for the last time.
 
Not every .22 comes from a rifle. There is the .22 short that has not much more energy than a pellet from an air-gun--not that all of those are weak either.

Sure, but science is about actually testing things, not just making assumptions. We can't know if the lighter would've saved the person's life in that specific situation if there was no control test of whether the ricocheting bullet would have been fatal. I mean, what if the only way it would fail to penetrate the lighter is if it's too slow to penetrate a human body? The premise of the myth involves the lighter being more resistant to impact than the flesh of the person carrying it, so it's an incomplete test if you don't compare the two directly -- ricochet with the lighter vs. ricochet without the lighter. I mean, we've seen plenty of other tests of fatality myths where the projectile proved to have too little energy to penetrate the ballistics gel deeply enough to represent a fatal injury. And a ricocheting bullet has less energy than a "fresh-from-the-barrel" one. So how much less energy, and how dangerous would it still be? That should've been measured.


I guess this will make me lose my skeptic card, but what I will always remember about this episode (outside of that black plastic product I just have to get)--was the dust devil.

It was almost as if the location was saying goodbye to them, for the last time.

That was freaky, to be struck by a whirlwind while handling high explosives. If that vortex had been bigger, or had struck at a more delicate moment, it could've caused some serious problems.

What black plastic product? You mean that material they made the bomb-testing rig out of? Or am I forgetting something?
 
On the bulletproof-lighter revisit, I'm unsatisfied with the result, because they left out one key control test. Okay, they showed that the lighter could stop a slowed-down post-ricochet bullet -- but the myth is that the lighter actually saved the person's life. So they should've done a control test with a richocheted bullet and no lighter, to see if the bullet would still have been lethal at all. Failing to do that is sloppy methodology, and I think it invalidates the result.
I was wondering about the shrapnel from the stone in that one. You could see pieces hitting the gel in the slow-mo footage.
 
So how much less energy, and how dangerous would it still be? That should've been measured.

We will never know now--thanks Discovery...

Each lighter may be of stronger or weaker metal. Bullets can be duds, old damp powder Lots of variables.



That was freaky, to be struck by a whirlwind while handling high explosives. If that vortex had been bigger, or had struck at a more delicate moment, it could've caused some serious problems.

What black plastic product? You mean that material they made the bomb-testing rig out of?
Yes--that.
 
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