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My TOS Shuttlecraft...

Mariner Class said:
Warped9 said:
Regrettably I don't have the means to work in 3D. I do have Blender installed, but I've no idea how to begin to use it. Also even though I'm drawing in 2D I'm always thinking in 3D.

And believe or not there's something about clean and crisp line drawings that still hold a powerful appeal for me.

Well, for a very helpful and through tutorial on Blender take a gander at THIS.
Thank you. And much appreciated. I look forward to going through this material and hopefully learn from it.

When I look back over this thread I truly realize how much ground I've actually covered. Whew! All the work I've done will also facilitate some other ideas I have in mind, namely a variation I think of as the Class J shuttlecraft which could in effect be a conceptual TOS predecessor version of the DS9 runabout. The overall style of the drawings will also serve as the basis for work I plan for my Starfleet Command Library project.

I also appreciate all the valuable perspectives and insights others have brought forth to share. Please keep 'em coming.

Warped9 said:
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When I look at this above image it cannot be overlooked how significantly wider the exterior hull is over the interior cabin. I knew this going in but it still looks a bit odd particularly without the 'tween hulls detail yet to be added. It certainly flies in the face of what we're accustomed to seeing on Trek where the hulls of smaller craft such as shuttles and runabouts tend to be rather thin affairs that I've often thought beggared credibility. Actually the Galileo fullsize mock-up didn't seen too bad in this regard onscreen, but it was nothing like what I have here.

Still I think this will still work more credibly when all is said and completed. Certainly the thicker 'tween hulls spacing would argue for greater safety I think in the event the external hull were comprimised. Although I've pretty well managed to keep the fullsize interior set's cabin width pretty mach as it was I still could widen the interior a smidgen without drastically altering it's overall appearance. There's also the aspect that the chairs could be a bit narrower than the originals and still look pretty much the same.

One thing I've changed (pretty much had to really with such spacing between hulls) can be more clearly seen in my starboard cutaway sheet posted earlier upthread. Whereas the exterior hatch has the familiar lower gangway and upper dilating panels setup the internal hatch is a more straightforward deck-to-ceiling dilating doorway. There's simply nowhere for a lower panel to lower to since the interior door is totally separate from the exterior hatch. The onscreen fullsixe interior and exterior mock-ups obvuiously have only the one door. For that to happen on my shuttlecraft the interior would have to be significantly wider and/or the exterior significantly narrower. Either would result in a vehicle that would look too different from what we're familiar with onscreen. It's these sort of considerations that led me to endeavour to fashion a "real" shuttlecraft as opposed to replicating the conflicting exterior and interior fullsize mockups.
 
ThomastheCat said:
Warped9 said:
And believe or not there's something about clean and crisp line drawings that still hold a powerful appeal for me.

Agreed. Line drawings have a quality of succint description about them; the high contrast of a descriptive line drawing can be much more informative than a realistic 3D render of the same object.
I think you guys are missing my point. You're thinking that I'm talking about a rendered, shaded image. I'm not. Every blueprint and technical drawing created today by any serious engineering firm or organization is 3D modeled. For an example... this image (from my "ringship" thread) is entirely based upon a 3D model. I didn't sit down and draw lines - I just created a print directly from the model. It IS a "line drawing" but it's not made by drawing lines...
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Clearer, I hope?
 
Taking another crack at it. The shuttlecraft is one of FourMadMen's cgi renders while I've tweaked it to look a little more like my Class H variant.
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Okay, I gotta be blunt here... I'm just not seeing what makes a "class H" different from the other type.

Can you possibly give a "bullet-point" list of what the differences are? Please?
 
Cary L. Brown said:
Okay, I gotta be blunt here... I'm just not seeing what makes a "class H" different from the other type.

Can you possibly give a "bullet-point" list of what the differences are? Please?
As I described it somewhere upthread the Class H is a faster and longer range version of the earlier Class F. Visually the impulse engines are different (5 exhaust ports versus 8 on the Class F), the venting on the nacelles are different as is the detail on the underside of the bow. The distinctions are more apparent on the drawings than they are in my photomanips. I intend the H to also be more distinct on the inside.

What's left ahead in this project (so far)?
- finishing off the Class F's deck plan.
- drawing up the ceiling plan.
- a cross section looking forward.
- a cross section looking aft.
- cross sections and deck plans depicting the medical support (never seen before) and extended survey (essential as seen in "The Immunity Syndrome") mission reconfigurations.
- deck plan and cross sections of the Class H.

And finally a handful of my photmanip images of shuttlecraft in action. Some of these (or early versions thereof) have appeared before in my Never seen TOS scenes thread.

And after all of that I'm thinking of possibly trying my hand at the hangar deck and shuttlecraft maintenance facility.


...I must be nuts. :lol:
 
That looks to be a fairly old picture, as the subject of the current whereabouts and condition of the Galileo has been pretty thoroughly hashed out over on HobbyTalk. Up until a few years ago, it was established that the shuttle had been around 80% restored, including new marine plywood for the hull, reinforced internal framework, and some other odds and ends.

Last known location is somewhere in Akron, Ohio, and reportedly the current owner wishes to remain annonymous.
 
One could have some fun with that photo. Mask out the contemporary elements like the utility pole, electrical cables and that "rail", and the resulting image would serve well as a wreckage scene.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
Redfern said:One could have some fun with that photo. Mask out the contemporary elements like the utility pole, electrical cables and that "rail", and the resulting image would serve well as a wreckage scene.
Sounds like next month's contest idea, possibly?
 
Cary L. Brown said:
Redfern said:One could have some fun with that photo. Mask out the contemporary elements like the utility pole, electrical cables and that "rail", and the resulting image would serve well as a wreckage scene.
Sounds like next month's contest idea, possibly?

Whuh...? I'm just a newbie with only a handful of posts. Besides, isn't the winner of one month's contest the choosing party for the next month's theme?

I'm not trying to be a wise-guy. I honestly don't know.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
^^

Anyone is welcome to suggest an idea for a challenge at any time - many times, the winner may not have an idea in mind (in fact, many times, the winner didn't expect to be in that position ;); that's what's great about the challenges!); we even have a pinned thread for that. So, yup, even a newbie can put in his 2¢, not to mention the fact that you're encouraged to participate in the challenges (whoops, wasn't gonna mention that! ;)).
 
Redfern said:
One could have some fun with that photo. Mask out the contemporary elements like the utility pole, electrical cables and that "rail", and the resulting image would serve well as a wreckage scene.

Sincerely,

Bill
I've got a few other photos of similar kind and I've had the very same thought quite sometime ago. I may give it a try.
 
Great pictures and nice to know one of the starfleet ships I was affiliated with was spearheading the reconstruciton project. many names there I recognized and at one time corresponded with. Does any one know if they completed the project? and are there any pictures of what she looks like in 2006?
 
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