My TOS Shuttlecraft...

[MGagen]

Captain Robert April said:
You haven't "proven" a damned thing.

I don't need to. The drawing plainly speaks for itself.

Those drawings could've been completed at any time in the process without a single pipe being welded together

Except the drawing itself says that is was made after the shuttlecraft was "re-designed and built."

Until you can conjure up a date for those drawings and a delivery slip for the shuttle, you're version of events is just as "imaginary" as mine is.

What you're proposing is far more imaginary, since you have to imagine that what MJ wrote on the sketch means something other than what it plainly says.

And for the life of me, I can't figure out why it's so important to you to negate a valid observation about this particular sketch. Especially since the implications of it increases our understanding of how the Shuttlecraft was designed and whose design she really is. Your personal animosity towards me has led you to stake out some pretty untenable positions in the past; but this is one of the weakest.

M.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Mgagen,

You took great exception to my characterization of the "pissing match" mentality as childish. And you took selective quotes from my post in order to use them out of their actual context. And you've proceeded to once again drag the content of this discussion from "let's talk about the shuttlecraft" into "Wow, I'm right and everyone else, especially my evil nemesis CRA, will bow down and praise my knowledge or I'll keep dragging this down."

You have worthwhile things to say, if you can just get past the need to play childish games here.... which, for the record, is EXACTLY what your last several posts here have been.

CRA chilled out. Hopefully he won't fall for your attempts to bait him into responding in kind.

Please stop.

 

[MGagen]

Cary,

I wouldn't say I took "great exception" to your post; I merely found it ironic that you would use the kind of language you did while criticising others for being self-righteous and smug.

M.

P.S.: For someone who is not listed as a moderator of this forum, you're very comfortable handing out the spankings.

 

[Captain Robert April]

No comment.

 

[Ptrope]

You guys make it very difficult not to wield the Giant Thread Closer.

Everyone - can you please make this place a bit more enjoyable and stop the sniping, accusations, personal attacks and general "Mine's bigger" infighting? Either that, or get a room, and take it out on one another in person - you're not helping things here.

Captain Robert April - consider this a 'friendly' for spamming - if you truly have no comment, you don't need to post that you have no comment.

Further posts that have little to do but assault one another's assumptions and assertions about others' intentions and interpretations (and that was tough to type!) will be greeted with legitimate spam warnings, at the very least - if you can't address the topic calmly, with relevant insights and not just treknology one-upsmanship, and you can't address the posters respectfully, you don't need to participate at all. Worse still that this has become a habit across the entire forum - it will not be tolerated.

 

[Warped9]

I'm sorry that I haven't gotten more images posted more often, folks. Work has been somewhat draining lately and when I get home I've found myself a little lacking in drive. But I am trying to get back on track. Although there still remains a fair amount of work left to do (about eight internal drawings and six photomanips) the end of this shuttlecraft project is in sight. And then I can focus more fully on developing my Starfleet Command Library project.

I appreciate the patience.

 

[Irishman]

Warped9, I completely understand. The muse is a fickle creature.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Got a response from Bjo:

I'm sorry but I have very little information about the Galileo. It was always a bone of contention in the Star Trek offices because nobody liked it. It was cobbled together for the show, since they liked the "bottle" script (where several people are bottled together) but needed a vehicle instead of the transporter for that episode. The budget wouldn't allow for a good design, so the "flying cheesebox" was built at the last minute. Any models and drawings were done after the fact, when something was needed to offer for sale and to put in books. Sorry, but that's about all I can tell you. I lost track of the Galileo after it was sold off Roger Heisman's lawn. -- Bjo

Not much, but at least we have a few bones of a timeline.

In my response, I asked Bjo to ask Bob Justman about this when she gets a chance (since the physical production was his direct responsibility, he should have more detailed memories about what all went on with this bugger).

 

[Warped9]

^^ Nobody liked it? Wow.

Well, nobody but us diehards I suppose. Otherwise I sure as hell wouldn't have undertaken this project.

 

[FalTorPan]

A little bird told me that the Galileo currently occupies a "hangar deck" in Ohio.

 

[Tallguy]

Wright-Patterson? Next to the aliens?

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Tallguy said:
Wright-Patterson? Next to the aliens?

There are no aliens in captivity here in Ohio. They let us all go ages ago...

 

[Kagan]

Warped9 said:
^^ Nobody liked it? Wow.

Well, nobody but us diehards I suppose. Otherwise I sure as hell wouldn't have undertaken this project.

That's OK
What have TPTB ever known?

 

[Captain Robert April]

The subject of the current whereabouts of the shuttle, and what led to its currently suspected location, was thrashed out pretty thoroughly over at HobbyTalk, complete with pics of everyone's favorite, Ed Miarecki, who was part of the restoration team at the time...

If I recall that discussion properly, the plan was to eventually have the shuttle at the Wright-Patterson museum, but for whatever reason, that plan was dropped and it's now residing in the owner's garage.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Warped9 said:
^^ Nobody liked it? Wow.

Well, nobody but us diehards I suppose. Otherwise I sure as hell wouldn't have undertaken this project.

The flying butter dish never gets the props it deserves.

Interesting photo of the three guys in front of the Galileo. Interesting, and a bit sad. A piece of Star Trek history like that shouldn't be rusting in an anonymous garage in Ohio.

 

[Warped9]

I swear to God that if I ever got my hands on a motherlode the next thing I'd do (after getting one of the Master Replicas' TOS Enterprise replics ) would be to build a full-up mock-up of my shuttlecraft with interior and lights and all. Then ferry it around to a few conventions for diehards and Trek celebrities to pose for photos with it before finding a proper permanent display location for it.

Maybe it's the geek in me, but I think that would rock. Next best thing is to wait for someone like Professor Moriarty to build a nice animated cgi model for us to enjoy.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Four Mad Men built a nice model a few months back. You'll have to wait awhile for mine; there is a lot of animating and other modeling to be done before I get to the Copernicus (Columbus? Magellan? Still need to figure out which shuttle Decker flew to his death...)

 

[Captain Robert April]

On the list of "What to do if I win Powerball", somewhere after paying off my bills, buying a house, and buying a Batmobile of my very own, is to track down that shuttlecraft, buy it off the current owner, truck it back here to Denver, where it can take up residence in the Wings Over the Rockies museum (at the former Lowry AFB), right next to that full scale X-Wing the official Star Wars fan club has there on loan, and continue with the restoration work. With the occasional trip to Starfest and other local events.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Got a response from Bjo that should drive a few more nails in the coffin of the argument of where the shuttlecraft was built...

We've pieced together a rough idea of what happened to the shuttle after the show (as I said, best intel puts it somewhere in Ohio, following a rather extensive restoration). The only big question mark regards where it was built (some say Phoenix, another theory says Michigan, I suspect somewhere in the LA area) and when it was delivered. You said the drawings were done around the time when the thing was finally built and delivered; am I right in figuring that around October or November of '66?

[BJO] The original shuttle was built on the lot. I know that a mess of people keep claiming they made some Trek item off-lot in their own studio, etc, but in the early days that just wasn't true due to severe union problems as well as strict budget hassles. There was just no way that a TV series could afford to hire someone in Ohio or Phoenix or Michigan to build something, then ship it to LA, etc. Just not possible. I think that Desilu used Paramount's set-building people to make the shuttlecraft but I can't guarantee that. Same way I can't tell you about the exact dates because I am math dyslexic and ANY numbers are a mystery to me.

Lessee....who was it that put forth the idea that it was built on the studio lot? Oh yeah, that was ME!

 

[aridas sofia]

That doesn't fit with the longstanding story that AMT built it as well as designed it. I know somewhere, long ago, I read about that thing being built elsewhere and trucked to LA. I'm not saying that's right, only that the story is an old one that was at some time in print.