My Star Trek review
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If it were in other incarnation in Trek, they were but moments, one or two, and that would be it. This movie is rife with them, in ever damn scene. And it isn't just "if explained in dialogue", it's massive plotholes, and just plain bad writing.
No, it hasn't, and no it doesn't run by magic. Even then; like I said, this isn't just the occasional handwavium; this movie took science, stuffed it down a shredder. There was no effort whatsoever to keep it somewhat in line with science; in fact they seemed to delight in just pulling bullshit out of their ass and just go with it.
I did no such thing. Maybe you should reread that part.
I did not came up with reasons why the movie would suck, I saw things in previews and knew that's why the movie would suck. That's not coming up with reasons, nor does it have anything to do with exactly the way I want something to be. There's plenty movies and episodes that aren't like I'd want them to be, or the way I'd write them yet I have no problem with them. However, if they're good they're good, and if they're bad they're bad.
Then you obviously haven't read it, because there's lots in there that has never been discussed before, or never discussed with the reasons I've given.
a. I've never said I wasn't going to like it from the get go. In fact, I've said was cautiously optimistic, hoping for the best, secretly wanting it to be the best, but fearing the worst. And then things became known, and it turned out to be the worst; actually, until I saw the movie I never realized what I thought of as the worst wouldn't even come close to just how bad this movie turned out to be. When I watched it the first time, I watching with open mouth of disbelief.
b. Bias and opinion matters not, if all the flaws are factually correct, and they are, then the review is fair. Quite frankly; willing the movie to be good, and simply glossing over massive plotholes and ignoring them, and then claiming the movie to be good, would be the unfair review.
c. Closely related, if the movie was good, then no matter my bias I would say so, the damn thing is; it isn't. In fact, it is worse than I imagined a movie could be.
d. Everyone is biased; every review is therefor based upon biases any person has. Some like some things, some like others. And there's no amount of attempted objectivity that will entirely divorce it from the biases. Claiming a review isn't fair because it is "biased" is therefor a non-starter.
If it were in other incarnation in Trek, they were but moments, one or two, and that would be it. This movie is rife with them, in ever damn scene. And it isn't just "if explained in dialogue", it's massive plotholes, and just plain bad writing.
No, it hasn't, and no it doesn't run by magic. Even then; like I said, this isn't just the occasional handwavium; this movie took science, stuffed it down a shredder. There was no effort whatsoever to keep it somewhat in line with science; in fact they seemed to delight in just pulling bullshit out of their ass and just go with it.
I did no such thing. Maybe you should reread that part.
What you say in words is totally different that what you mean and how those words come off in context. You were not cautiouslly optimistic, you kept using that as you do your snide little roll eyes and your sighs.
I went to the movie and I saw a good movie. Was it a great movie? No but it was the best Star Trek movie I have seen in over a decade, it was on par with Undiscovered Country. Now I am not holding this up as a freaking masterpiece, but it had no more flaws or problems than any other Star Trek movie and I have seen them all. You went in to this movie with an over critical eye LOOKING for anything and everything you could to say "Oh My God This movie Sucked" you can not deny the fact that you did that. It is laced in every line of your review and to say that you had no bias going in makes you an even less credible source. Which is highly impossible since I myself have gone from thinking you are just an over anal fan to someone who just really puts way more stock into what you think Trek should be like you have some kind of need for it to be the way you want it.
3d you come off as Psychotic when it comes to Trek, that is not Fandom that is obsession, it is a mental disconnect with reality to be THIS passionate for something that was created as entertainment. It makes people wonder about your home life because if your this obsessive over it how are you with other things. It is a really scary look into your psyche and I am not trying to be mean here. I am not trying to attack you. It actually has me more worried about your well being than anything else. That someone would go in and analyse a movie this deeply for their own gratification and to fulfil a prophesy that had been set in their mind since day one. (Once again how you write your posts not how you word them, your writting style bears out your hatred.) You can try and fool people all you like and scream we are wrong up and down, but most of us on this board are intelligent human beings with college level reading skills and we know you are full of it.
You went in ready to hate this film. Looking to hate this film. Looking to tear it down cause it dared called itself Trek and you will not allow that, oh no... Not on your watch
You are not the defender of Trek. Stand down.
Also I took Journalism class your being a bold faced liar when you say you can not write an objective review. I have done it and I know several TF "haters" who have done it.
I went to the movie and I saw a good movie. Was it a great movie? No but it was the best Star Trek movie I have seen in over a decade, it was on par with Undiscovered Country. Now I am not holding this up as a freaking masterpiece, but it had no more flaws or problems than any other Star Trek movie and I have seen them all. You went in to this movie with an over critical eye LOOKING for anything and everything you could to say "Oh My God This movie Sucked" you can not deny the fact that you did that. It is laced in every line of your review and to say that you had no bias going in makes you an even less credible source. Which is highly impossible since I myself have gone from thinking you are just an over anal fan to someone who just really puts way more stock into what you think Trek should be like you have some kind of need for it to be the way you want it.
3d you come off as Psychotic when it comes to Trek, that is not Fandom that is obsession, it is a mental disconnect with reality to be THIS passionate for something that was created as entertainment. It makes people wonder about your home life because if your this obsessive over it how are you with other things. It is a really scary look into your psyche and I am not trying to be mean here. I am not trying to attack you. It actually has me more worried about your well being than anything else. That someone would go in and analyse a movie this deeply for their own gratification and to fulfil a prophesy that had been set in their mind since day one. (Once again how you write your posts not how you word them, your writting style bears out your hatred.) You can try and fool people all you like and scream we are wrong up and down, but most of us on this board are intelligent human beings with college level reading skills and we know you are full of it.
You went in ready to hate this film. Looking to hate this film. Looking to tear it down cause it dared called itself Trek and you will not allow that, oh no... Not on your watch
You are not the defender of Trek. Stand down.
Also I took Journalism class your being a bold faced liar when you say you can not write an objective review. I have done it and I know several TF "haters" who have done it.
Wait... so did he like it or not?
As I understood from his fantastic review he loved it and can't wait for the sequel.
Y'know, that's what I thought, what with all the CAPS he used.
YES!
Well really, to discuss a movie as much as he did this one, you'd pretty much _have_ to love it. Otherwise, why spend so much time on it?
I think he doth protest too much, and if we left him and the movie alone for a few hours we'd find them together on a desk somewhere.
I'm enjoying it after a kinda crappy day, actually.
I'm not just a casual fan nor do I consider myself a purist. I've watched all TOS and TNG episodes, 90% of the other series and all the movies.
I actually liked your "review" 3D Master, because after having the scenes described in written form with some analysis added, it really brings to light how absolutely ludicrous the storyline is and the poor choices that JJ made in regards to lens flares, extreme close-ups, character development, etc.
By the way, just because a majority of critics have positive things to say about the movie, and a high percentage of the audience liked it, doesn't make it a good movie.To me, that's exactly like the nonsensical assertion that since millions of people believe in god, then that must be 100% incontrovertible evidence of his existence. That's just illogical.
Regardless, it was an okay summer action flick with good special effects where you needed to leave your brain at the door, which seems to be the case for most movies these days.
I'm still glad that ST has made a resurgence and I can only hope for a better movie with the eventual sequel.
I scrolled down to the complaint about Sulu saying he could fence and then busts out a katana, and that only foils should be used for fencing.
I bring that up because Japanese and Chinese martial arts have a whole system of fencing that don't involve foils whatsoever. If Sulu brings a Katana and calls it fencing, he's probably a practitioner of Kendo, aka Japanese Fencing. The Shinai, the primary weapon of Kendo, was designed to replicate a wooden version of the Katana.
Besides, TOS Sulu was supposed to be somewhat knowledgeable in many artforms and weaponry. Whose to say that he doesn't know European fencing in this timeline, as well as other non-Asian martial arts?
I bring that up because Japanese and Chinese martial arts have a whole system of fencing that don't involve foils whatsoever. If Sulu brings a Katana and calls it fencing, he's probably a practitioner of Kendo, aka Japanese Fencing. The Shinai, the primary weapon of Kendo, was designed to replicate a wooden version of the Katana.
Besides, TOS Sulu was supposed to be somewhat knowledgeable in many artforms and weaponry. Whose to say that he doesn't know European fencing in this timeline, as well as other non-Asian martial arts?
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Are you saying that Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are going to walk into the theater, have everyone open their mouths and proceed to place their scrotums in each person's mouth, young and old, male and female, until everyone has been literally teabagged by them for watching Transformers 2, and that since you must be saying this because you saw the movie, that they did this to you as well and you accepted it? Because if that's not what you meant, don't use the term "literally" in a sentence that uses a metaphor.
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You've seen Transformers 2? Please, post your detailed review just as 3D Master blessed us all with his.
3D Master
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Wrong. I was cautiously optimistic, then more details came out.
Once again, wrong. I didn't watch this movie any different than I watched any other Star Trek movie. And apart from Nemesis (which still doesn't come anywhere close to this dreck) I can not find the same level of flaws in any of them. Not even close.
Nope. If the movie had been mostly good, I would have said so. The simple fact is, that it isn't.
You're wrong. You may think you have done so, but you haven't. You can try to be as objective as you want to be, but there will always be subjective things creeping in, whether you like it or not.
No, it can't, because I gave this movie no more scrutiny than I gave the other Star Trek movies.
You take things too lightly here.
Damn it Jim, it's a discussion about films not a scientific symposium.
It's because you refuse to with the other films. You hated this movie before you went into it, so you went into it looking for every single bit of criticism you could scrounge around for, and we're suffering for it.
Wrong, the simple fact is that you don't like it (and decided not to like it a long time ago.) Just as it is a simple fact that 95% of everyone else disagrees with you.
Jeyl said:
And you take things WAY to seriously! It's FICTION! RL things should be taken seriously!
This by Bishbot:
3DMashup, damn, dude, you have way too much time on your hand. Most of your points, taking them individually and very concisely, aren't wrong.
It's how you say it with your smug, superior attitude that because we DO like it, we are OBVIOUSLY ALL IDIOTS!
Let me repeat: you aren't wrong, with the lens flare and the plot holes and some of the dialogue and on and on. But how you say it, loaded with arrogance and a lot of self-preening congratulations obout how clever you are to figure this stuff out.
But we... don't... care. We went and saw a movie. We had fun. It wasn't perfect, but we'll go next time, and hope for better.
What'll you do? Sit in your basement and sulk? Or see it multiple times again so you can pick it to pieces as well?
I echo Guartho's call - come down to TNZ, bring your opinions with you. We have LOTS to talk about.
Originally Posted by J. Allen
You take things too lightly here.
And you take things WAY to seriously! It's FICTION! RL things should be taken seriously!This by Bishbot:
Nailed it!
3DMashup, damn, dude, you have way too much time on your hand. Most of your points, taking them individually and very concisely, aren't wrong.
It's how you say it with your smug, superior attitude that because we DO like it, we are OBVIOUSLY ALL IDIOTS!
Let me repeat: you aren't wrong, with the lens flare and the plot holes and some of the dialogue and on and on. But how you say it, loaded with arrogance and a lot of self-preening congratulations obout how clever you are to figure this stuff out.
But we... don't... care. We went and saw a movie. We had fun. It wasn't perfect, but we'll go next time, and hope for better.
What'll you do? Sit in your basement and sulk? Or see it multiple times again so you can pick it to pieces as well?
I echo Guartho's call - come down to TNZ, bring your opinions with you. We have LOTS to talk about.
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