Spoilers Mrs. Flood Theories
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This is silly. As I said in my review, of course the newer incarnation treats the predecessor as a subordinate. A more twisted version of the multi-Doctor relationship.
I doff my hat to you, good sir, for that excellent outside-of-Doctor-Who reference.
It doesn't happen often, but some times my wide-swinging guesses hit the mark! Something about a broken clock and mixed metaphors, I think.
Oh, snap, I didn't even think about that! Yes please and thank you!
As a watcher primarily of the revival, I only know the Rani by reputation, but I’m not terribly enthusiastic about her. Maybe if the Master hadn’t re-destroyed Gallifrey, some rando dick Time Lord popping up would feel like less of a cheap move. The Doctor and the Master being the last two Time Lords because the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey was a situation that crackled with drama. The Doctor and the Rani being the last two four Time Lords because the Master destroyed Gallifrey… eh.
Also, does anyone else feel “the Last of the Time Lords” has lost its gravitas in their current context, compared to what it mean pre-DotD? Every time he says it, it just reminds me, “The Master killed them all, but they can still regenerate after being cyber-converted, so how are they dead? And how did he manage to pull of single-handedly, as a casual lark, what every Dalek in history working together couldn’t do?”
Also, does anyone else feel “the Last of the Time Lords” has lost its gravitas in their current context, compared to what it mean pre-DotD? Every time he says it, it just reminds me, “The Master killed them all, but they can still regenerate after being cyber-converted, so how are they dead? And how did he manage to pull of single-handedly, as a casual lark, what every Dalek in history working together couldn’t do?”
I never cared for it in the first place so I'm fine with it. I get why Davies did it, but aside from The Ninth Doctor, it never really worked for me. The Tenth Doctor was too mopey about it and I say that as a massive Tennant fan. I think it only ever worked for me because of Eccleston.
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Agreed! Didn't work for me either outside Eccleston.
Indeed, under normal circumstances, the newer incarnation is the older one, with the predecessor being a younger person, so naturally the current one will have the same kind of disdain one of us might have should we ever meet ourselves from our younger more ignorant days. I imagine in the case of bigeneration, the newer Rani will still consider herself to be the older, wiser one, and would look at the Mrs. Flood incarnation as the younger, ignorant and less experienced. A sort of "you obviously screwed up and got yourself killed, otherwise I wouldn't be here."
While the whole "Time Lords are extinct" thing is always a reflection of the fact that the current showrunners don't care for them, with their extinction in the Chibnall era, I always wondered, how do we know it's definite this time? We got the fact that several were turned into Cybermen, but also, are we really supposed to believe in light of what Day of the Doctor established that there weren't a few Time Lords who managed to survive by escaping into a painting?
Then again, that could be how they're going to explain how the Rani survived. Something else, which maybe the apparent return of Susan will address, and I'm surprised Moffat never addressed this after Day of the Doctor, was the Doctor's family truly gone, or did he just assume they were because all the Time Lords were thought to have been killed after Gallifrey's presumed destruction?
I'm a little ashamed at how slow I was to get this
I'm assuming the casting of Anita Dobson was completely intentional then. The last place the Rani was seen was Albert Square and of course Dobson spent a lot of time there. Of course Dobson left long before Dimensions in Time.
Shame RTD isn't giving us three Ranis...
Shame RTD isn't giving us three Ranis...
Okay, I haven’t watched Old!who yet. I know about Susan, Rowana and jelly babies. But who is the Rani?
Pretty much what we see, Renegade Time Lady with a score to settle with the Doctor. Went up against Six and Seven.
More importantly she isn’t evil. She is amoral. Which is a subtle difference. She’s usually obsessed with gaining not so much power, as knowledge and scientific breakthrough. Any time she takes over a planet or does something ‘evil’ it’s in the service of her desire to see an experiment through, rather than the other way round like The Master (who is about power and humiliating the Doctor to some extent) They were all apparently at school together.
If the leaks are true, and if they stick the landing, she’s a good choice of character.
Outside of the leaks, since the universe now seems to suffer from a surfeit of ‘magic’ her attempting to fix it or destroy it in trying to would also make perfect sense, as would her lines that amounted to wanting to take down a god last season.
Prior to this, she only ever had two TV stories, so she’s something of a blank slate with known goals and modus operandi.
And her tendency for dressing up sort of like previous companions. All a riff on when she disguised herself as Mel possibly.
As long as they remember not to write her as The Master But With Boobs, it might turn out ok.
I wonder if the Rani is the one who invented bi-generation. Seems like something she would come up with.
I was reviewing the Rani earlier and thought of the "not evil, amoral" thing but really she's Mengele. Obsessed with scientific knowledge, yes, but not caring a jot about the suffering of her subjects. Because she doesn't actually see them as "people" since she's a "superior being". It's not a far wheelchair trip from that to Davros.
Yes, her first appearance had her trying to fix what she'd done to a planetary population, but it seemed more because she'd messed up rather than genuine concern for the people.
It’s a myth apparently, but one she would study.
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