Mourning Trek

[Prax]

Spock has saved many an episode from forcing bizarre messages on the viewer, like when Kirk brings hard labor, aging, death, or sex to a culture in the name of progress, and we are to root for him. Then at the end, Spock says "maybe that was a bad thing we just did."

 

[TheStumps]

Spock has saved many an episode from forcing bizarre messages on the viewer, like when Kirk brings hard labor, aging, death, or sex to a culture in the name of progress, and we are to root for him. Then at the end, Spock says "maybe that was a bad thing we just did."

Exactly.
And that was a solid shift from typical form (and still is).
To me, that is the beating heart of Star Trek.; it must present an implied question or debate at the end, not a final answer.

 

[Lynx]

I think the novel predated Q2 . . . by some years. It was during the TNG era, before VOYAGER.

Q may have two sons, Q2 and Trelane.

 

[Amaris]

Thank goodness never did TOS did "doom and gloom," aside from, okay, the Talosians torturing Pike in the first pilot, Kirk having to kill his best friend in the second pilot, and McCoy discovering that his lost love has been killed and replaced by a Salt Vampire in the first-aired episode . . ..

How dare DISCOVERY begin with bad things happening!

(I swear to God, if "City on the Edge of Forever" debuted today, half the internet would be complaining "Where's the hope? Where's the optimism? The REAL Kirk would never let an innocent woman die!")

Murderers?! Assassins?! Who even TALKS like that?!

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly.
And that was a solid shift from typical form (and still is).
To me, that is the beating heart of Star Trek.; it must present an implied question or debate at the end, not a final answer.

Or a joke.

 

[Timewalker]

I look forward to lots of f-bombs and nudity in the future.

There's plenty of both in the fanfic that's linked in my sig (no, I didn't write it; I'm just a fan).

Thank goodness never did TOS did "doom and gloom," aside from, okay, the Talosians torturing Pike in the first pilot, Kirk having to kill his best friend in the second pilot, and McCoy discovering that his lost love has been killed and replaced by a Salt Vampire in the first-aired episode . . ..

How dare DISCOVERY begin with bad things happening!

(I swear to God, if "City on the Edge of Forever" debuted today, half the internet would be complaining "Where's the hope? Where's the optimism? The REAL Kirk would never let an innocent woman die!")

Hmm. Why didn't they use the shuttles?

That's a great question that's been asked umpteen bazillion times before, and a fanfic answer has just popped into my head (of course I'm not going to mention it here ).


As for City on the Edge of Forever, I daresay that these hypothetical people would lack the same RL context for that episode. I've actually seen people on this very site complaining, "World War II was so long ago, why doesn't everybody just get over it already?" and they don't stop to think that there are still a lot of people who were alive then and have very vivid memories of what they went through.

 

[TheStumps]

Or a joke.

I'm sorry, were you adding "or a joke" to what ST is (a), or what it isn't (b)?

a) To me, that is the beating heart of Star Trek. It must present an implied question, debate, or a joke at the end; not a final answer.

b) To me, that is the beating heart of Star Trek. It must present an implied question or debate at the end; not a final answer, or a joke.

 

[fireproof78]

My only point was that Star Trek, especially TOS, often ended with a joke, and not just the implied question or debate.

 

[TheStumps]

My only point was that Star Trek, especially TOS, often ended with a joke, and not just the implied question or debate.

They may end on a joke but the theme of the episode was rarely a joke, and the answer to the theme was usually left unresolved and up to us to answer its resolution.

 

[fireproof78]

They may end on a joke but the theme of the episode was rarely a joke, and the answer to the theme was usually left unresolved and up to us to answer its resolution.

Well, that joke died a horrible death...

 

[1001001]

Smothered with a pillow in its sleep.

 

[Galileo7]

Smothered with a pillow in its sleep.

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