Klingon - Federation Standard
Federation Standard - Klingon
Borrowed from Sam Cogley no doubt!
Federation Standard - Klingon
Borrowed from Sam Cogley no doubt!
Most ridiculous thing about TOS
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I don't happen to think fashion is tracking in sync with any ideas of female emancipation and assertiveness, otherwise everyone would be dressing like Katherine Hepburn rather than Miley Cyrus and Kim K.
I mean, at one time Gene thought fashion would become more androgynous, hence the TNG skants. Yet here we are what, 25-30 years later and people today, despite the move to recognize LGBT rights, treat it like a laughing stock.
So I think rigid masculine vs. feminine dress codes are here to say.
Or the books in "Court Martial" which were acknowledged to be anachronistic.
Go on.... What are they here to say?
Go on.... What are they here to say?
I'm not a clothing manufacturer, but those legless shorts that the women! ...er, the women wear are not panties or underwear. They are part of the uniform, unless you are proposing that the crew wears color coded underwear, Spock and Bones have blue boxers and Checkov has an avocado Speedo.
From my experience, YMMV, writing on paper and writing on, say, an iPad, makes me think differently on each. Neither is better, just different. If my creativity seems lacking on one, I try the other. I'd hope we'd still have some form of pen/pencil/paper in the 23rd century for this reason alone.
Who says it was paper anyway? I say it was another material, carefully designed to replicate the feel and use of paper.
Remember Richard Benjamin's series "Quark"? I noticed they used sheets of clear plastic where ever one would expect paper.
In Star Trek, male uniforms frequently feature avocados.
I'd have to agree that the miniskirt uniforms for women were ridiculous.
However, sci-fi is mostly written by and for men, so dressing the women up in miniskirts probably attracted viewers. But it looks ludicrous. Imagine the next female cop you see working in a miniskirt uniform.
To my knowledge, no military, anywhere, ever issued miniskirts. I can't imagine the scenario where it would be more practical than trousers.
Miniskirts were fashionable in the 60's and 70's, but not on female military or police.
The most realistic thing would have been to do what police departments do currently: issue the exact same uniform to men and women. Why should they be any different because of the sex of the occupant?
Sound in space is silly, too. But it makes for exciting television.
However, sci-fi is mostly written by and for men, so dressing the women up in miniskirts probably attracted viewers. But it looks ludicrous. Imagine the next female cop you see working in a miniskirt uniform.
To my knowledge, no military, anywhere, ever issued miniskirts. I can't imagine the scenario where it would be more practical than trousers.
Miniskirts were fashionable in the 60's and 70's, but not on female military or police.
The most realistic thing would have been to do what police departments do currently: issue the exact same uniform to men and women. Why should they be any different because of the sex of the occupant?
Sound in space is silly, too. But it makes for exciting television.
When the captain is off the ship and the first officer is in charge, that doesn't make them "captain." They're still the first officer.
That's why Kirk corrected her ... oh wait.^ And you believed a nutcase like her?
A few do, but usually as a optional dress uniform. They're no more impractical than shorts on men.
Actually, yes it does. Whoever is in command of the ship IS the captain, and is referred to as such (regardless of actual rank).
Then you lose. Haha.
There are quite a few female military personnel that wouldn't look too bad in a miniskirt uniform.
Besides, there is the trouser variant for the ugly ones. <-- Yeah. That's right. I said it.
The Roman Army for a while wore tunics with bare legs. Kilts were worn by the Scottish. So Kilts can be a uniform but mini skirts cant?
Don't make me go fetch the obligatory photos of military uniforms that include female skirt versions.
Except they aren't exactly the same. Female uniforms are made to fit the female form. You can't just take a uniform designed for a male and throw it on a female and expect it to be functional and comfortable.
Because females have different body shapes than men.
They are the commanding officer until the captain returns. If something happens to the captain and you are weeks, months or years from a friendly port, the XO essentially becomes the captain. Which is why Lester's cries of no female captains rings false. You don't put someone in a position to become captain if you don't want them to be captain.
"Except they aren't exactly the same. Female uniforms are made to fit the female form. You can't just take a uniform designed for a male and throw it on a female and expect it to be functional and comfortable."
I almost included the sentence "properly sized and tailored for body type" along with "The most realistic thing would have been to do what police departments do currently: issue the exact same uniform to men and women." but I didn't think it would be necessary.
Yes, police uniforms for women are tailored to fit women. But they are they same design as the male uniforms. Same shirt, same collar, same pants, same shoes, same hats. By the same token a police uniform for a small or thin man is tailored differently than a uniform for a large or fat man. But they're the same design. Just like the male and female uniforms.
Roman tunics were not miniskirts. Neither are Scottish kilts. Nor were they issued only to women.
"Because females have different body shapes than men."
Not different enough to require a completely different design to a uniform. Evidence: Modern police uniforms.
"Don't make me go fetch the obligatory photos of military uniforms that include female skirt versions."
No need. To begin with, I'm talking specifically about miniskirts. Also, most militaries issued skirts and different uniforms to women when they first started admitting women. Including most police departments. In recent years they have increasingly moved to issuing the same uniforms to men and women, with most police departments dispensing entirely with different designs. Why? Because the uniforms designed for men are more practical, and more practical for women, too. The USMC is currently considering doing away with different dress uniforms for men and women. To me, it makes sense that 200 years from now the military will have long ago dispensed with such unnecessary differences.
I almost included the sentence "properly sized and tailored for body type" along with "The most realistic thing would have been to do what police departments do currently: issue the exact same uniform to men and women." but I didn't think it would be necessary.
Yes, police uniforms for women are tailored to fit women. But they are they same design as the male uniforms. Same shirt, same collar, same pants, same shoes, same hats. By the same token a police uniform for a small or thin man is tailored differently than a uniform for a large or fat man. But they're the same design. Just like the male and female uniforms.
Roman tunics were not miniskirts. Neither are Scottish kilts. Nor were they issued only to women.
"Because females have different body shapes than men."
Not different enough to require a completely different design to a uniform. Evidence: Modern police uniforms.
"Don't make me go fetch the obligatory photos of military uniforms that include female skirt versions."
No need. To begin with, I'm talking specifically about miniskirts. Also, most militaries issued skirts and different uniforms to women when they first started admitting women. Including most police departments. In recent years they have increasingly moved to issuing the same uniforms to men and women, with most police departments dispensing entirely with different designs. Why? Because the uniforms designed for men are more practical, and more practical for women, too. The USMC is currently considering doing away with different dress uniforms for men and women. To me, it makes sense that 200 years from now the military will have long ago dispensed with such unnecessary differences.
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Old-fashioned books persist throughout STAR TREK. Spock gives Kirk one as a gift in the second movie. Picard takes one on vacation in "Captain's Holiday." There may come a day when this looks completely anachronistic to a generation raised on Kindles, but Pike was hardly the only Starfleet officer to have a bookshelf.
FYI: In one of my books, I posited that Pike had a personal preference for hard copy, hence all that paper in "The Cage." It was a personal quirk that the crew indulged because, well, he was the captain.
FYI: In one of my books, I posited that Pike had a personal preference for hard copy, hence all that paper in "The Cage." It was a personal quirk that the crew indulged because, well, he was the captain.
Cogley was probably on board. He wanted to defend Kirk again but didn't make it in time.
Scotland, but their culture is based on a dare, so...
Aw, Heck! uniderth beat me to it.
The paper stuff never bothered me at all, like the massive Main Mission computer in Space:1999, or those reel-to-reel tape machines used for dictation. But there can be explanations and head-canon for it.
I loved in Red Dwarf Back To Earth, when they were checking out the DVD stores, and it was explained that the reason the futuristic Red Dwarf used VHS tapes was that DVDs were phased out due to people losing them down the sofa, whereas no-one lost the bulky video tapes.
I loved in Red Dwarf Back To Earth, when they were checking out the DVD stores, and it was explained that the reason the futuristic Red Dwarf used VHS tapes was that DVDs were phased out due to people losing them down the sofa, whereas no-one lost the bulky video tapes.
Well, on paper their assignment from their superiors would not immediately change, no. But the first officer/XO has to be qualified for command in every respect, because they may have to take command at any time. If women were barred from starship command, either Number One would never have been assigned as second in command, or she would have been skipped over and the next male officer in line would have taken charge. Which would have been absurd.
As happened in "The Tholian Web," when Spock began to be called "Captain."
The US Navy is currently experimenting with "unisexing" some of its dress uniforms, but has met with some backlash, including from serving women:
http://www.navytimes.com/story/mili...avys-gender-neutral-uniform-changes/83384382/
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